Glass Message Board

Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2007, 01:06:41 PM

Title: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2007, 01:06:41 PM
Picked this little beauty up for a song yesterday. whole posy (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_1389.jpg) top (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_1390.jpg) and foot (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_1391.jpg)

Has prong feet with pullouts, a ground and polished top rim, and lovely iridescence on a moulded martele type finish. The iridescence is much better than the picture - a lovely purply bronze. It also seems to be in green uranium glass. After some research, I have decided on two possible contenders Kralik or more likely Thomas Webb, possibly bronze glass. Any thoughts anyone please
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Hotglass on July 22, 2007, 01:14:55 PM
It looks in remarkably good condition. Are there any small chips, scratches etc at all ?
Sorry, can't help with maker. Ed.
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Cathy B on July 22, 2007, 01:42:02 PM
It's absolutely gorgeous, Christine, and in uranium glass as well! Congratulations!

You've probably seen this thread, but just in case. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,13880.msg89298.html#msg89298
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2007, 01:55:27 PM
It has two small flakes at the top but they are really hard to spot. I've looked at the thread and the Kralik stuff but I would actually say my pattern is slightly less irregular than Kralik. It certainly seems to have many of the characteristics of British Victorian glass when you look through Gulliver
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Cathy B on July 22, 2007, 03:47:27 PM
Definitely the feet and general shape look British, don't they.

Just for comparison, here's  (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-8001)my Kralik vase (excuse the great muddle of folders behind it...) and also see item 5903  (http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib1c.htm). I'll be interested to find out the verdict on this gorgeous piece.

Cheers,
Cathy
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2007, 04:17:51 PM
Thanks Cathy. I've already wiped the drool off that page  ;D
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 26, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
Bump, cos Mike is about  ;D
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Mike M on July 26, 2007, 08:36:05 PM
Hmm not sure

I always assumed that these were done by any of the smaller 'nameless' bohemian (and maybe similar English) glass makers who had great jobbing glass blowers but were, shall we say, light on high design.

Those feet have to be finished in a matter of seconds or they crack -but, and please someone with more knowledge correct me, I think not a big name.

cheers

Mike



 
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: obscurities on May 10, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Hi Christine,

I believe I found the attribution you are referring to and I would not trust it either. I do not really even know if it is Czech, but I would say definitely not Loetz. The definition of the pattern in the decor is much more pronounced than the known Czech attributions I am familiar with for Martele. My experience is that Martele, meaning hammered, is generally a little softer looking, appearing more similar to what a beaten piece of copper or pewter may look like. I find suggestions in the thread that it may be English, and I do not do enough with English glass, as we never really see much in Seattle. I do, just from mild research though, associate that form of foot much more with an English origin than with a Czech origin. Although the Czechs made some vases with "thorn" bodies, I find thorned feet to be unusual for them. My experience is, with the exception of some very specific figural pieces, that applied Czech feet are usually flatter and more of a low profile, or simpler and appearing like flattened "strips".

I have forwarded a copy of the image to Alfredo for his opinion. I will post a reply when I hear from him.

Hope this helps
Craig



Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 10, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: glasseyed on May 10, 2009, 05:46:20 PM
What a pretty little piece, the feet are similar to many English pieces I have seen. I'll have a look in my books and see what I can find.

Regards

Hazel
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: obscurities on May 10, 2009, 06:04:31 PM
Alfredo agreed.... Definitely NOT Loetz.  If it is Czech, then it is in all likelyhood Kralik, with the thorned feet.

I also inquired with Alfredo about the English possibility, and his feeling that the piece is too "coarse" for English. His experience is that English pieces are more delicate... 

I defer to those more well educated than I on this one..... I don't do a lot with English glass.   

Craig
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 10, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
Thank you for asking. It doesn't matter to me what it is, I love it. My shelves of unkowns are much bigger than my shelves of knowns
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 11, 2009, 06:29:25 AM
While looking at something else I found this Kralik inkwell (http://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/_/rsrc/1232220709926/kralik-inkwells-1a--shape-and-decoration/MARTELE%20PURPLE%20AVC.jpg?height=198&width=200); the martele looks very like mine. Mine is certainly very well made. I think Kralik is a pretty good bet
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: obscurities on August 11, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
Hi Christine,

I would agree with that.....  Although Rindskopf did some Martele pieces, their "hammered" pattern was usually not as well defined as some of the Kralik pieces. I think a Kralik attribution onthis piece would be correct.... An interesting piece for them, and appearing to be relatively early for Martele....  I can not think of another Martele I have seen with the thorn style feet......

Craig
Title: Re: Iridescent Victorian tripod vase
Post by: flying free on September 05, 2011, 09:37:04 PM
I think this has now been formally id'd as Kralik from more recent posts with similar pieces in different colours.
m