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Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Jay on March 14, 2006, 11:39:48 PM: I hope there's someone to help with this one.
A primitive bird design on a blue vase with a Viking feel?

I don't seem to be getting very far on my own!

http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/main66.html
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Della on March 14, 2006, 11:54:21 PM: Hi Jay,
You know I love it. :wink: :D
The bird reminds me of an Oiva Toikka Bird for Nuutajarvi of Finland, but I cannot find anything to substantiate this.
I am really curious, so I will watch this post with bated breath. 8)
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Ivo on March 15, 2006, 07:17:03 AM: Possibly by Kjell Blomberg for Gullaskruf - but wait for Raoul to confirm this!
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Max on March 15, 2006, 09:38:46 AM: Doesn't it look similar to this one: http://i2.tinypic.com/qwytep.jpg that Jonnybrum put on the Glass Board last week?

thread = http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4492.msg36020.html#msg36020
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Ivo on March 15, 2006, 10:36:19 AM: Actualy it looks more like the KB piece on page 46 of Nigel's Glass of the 50s and 60s.
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Max on March 15, 2006, 10:55:09 AM: Quote from: "Ivo"
Actualy it looks more like the KB piece on page 46 of Nigel's Glass of the 50s and 60s.

:?: I can see no similarity there apart from the colour. The stopper on the KB one has metal, and the shape is different, being squared off at the corners. :?:
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Ivo on March 15, 2006, 11:54:57 AM: http://i2.tinypic.com/rhrfw7.jpg

the birdy bottle is squared off at the sides and has ttbomk no stopper, the mould detail is much better than the bottle green (Italian, Austrian?) one, the colour is darker and the glass thicker than comparable items made in Empoli.....
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Max on March 15, 2006, 12:12:43 PM: I'm beginning to think we're looking at different decanters. :?

Are you saying that these two decanters are not very similar Ivo?

The 'birdy one' does have a stopper...

I feel like I'm losing my marbles! :lol:

(http://i2.tinypic.com/rhs4s0.jpg)

(http://i2.tinypic.com/rhs4t4.jpg)

When I say 'squared off' I mean that the bottom corners curve upwards (are rounded) on these two, whereas the KB ones are squarer.

(apologies to Jonnybrum and Jay, whose images I've altered slightly)

....I think I'll give up. I feel like I'm going bonkers! :roll:
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Ivo on March 15, 2006, 02:00:54 PM: These seem to be very much alike - but there seem to be differences too. The ones with a stopper have rounded shoulders, the one without the stopper has a flat panel front back and sides. There is also a small variation in the design - look at the lower leaves on the flower stem. Maybe the production was tendered out, or production standards lowered? I give up too...
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: cjf on March 15, 2006, 03:50:27 PM: Quote from: "Ivo"
Actualy it looks more like the KB piece on page 46 of Nigel's Glass of the 50s and 60s.

Could you post a picture Ivo? (I don't have this book)

I would be very surprised if Jay's bottle turned out to be from Gullaskruf, but I too will wait for Raoul's confirmation on this. As far as I know, KB did three different bottles for G-f (motifs: faces, drinking glasses and fish), and none of these had glass stoppers...
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: David555 on March 17, 2006, 01:09:52 AM: Hi Max

I can see what Ivo is talking about the two bottles are very similar - however see that the round stopper on the blue one is textured and how it more loosely fits into the top. The green bottles stopper is smooth and the cork sits more proudly. I also see what Ivo means about the shoulders and overall shape.

They are both lovely items and I think Scandinavian - in the thread you post members attribute the green bottle as Italian, 'chopin-liszt' very rightly says there is something very Dartington about it, knowing Dartington designed out of the Scandinavian's pockets, I don't think it is Italian, the themes are just such a give away IMHO.

It would be good go get Raoul's opinion - he made an excellent Skruf attribution for Ivo not long ago on a decanter which was green :wink:

LOL putting them side by side makes me want to go out and buy two, where can I get them again :D

cjf - Sorry we can't post recent photographs from books for copyright reasons - in fact even if the book is 50 years old there can be complications - Nigel's book is easy to buy and I think on his website - I have to say it remains a bedrock for me.

Adam P
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: cjf on March 17, 2006, 10:15:14 AM: Quote from: "David555"
cjf - Sorry we can't post recent photographs from books for copyright reasons - in fact even if the book is 50 years old there can be complications - Nigel's book is easy to buy and I think on his website - I have to say it remains a bedrock for me.

OK. Under Swedish copyright law, this would generally be permitted for non-commercial use, but I know these rules are not the same everywhere... I'll simply have to get the book. ;)

Could someone who has the book give a brief description of the bottle?
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Frank on March 17, 2006, 10:24:46 AM: The odd picture as long as it is fully credited with title, edition, author, publisher and ISBN may be posted. Preferably via the temporary store of tinypic.com - several pictures would not be appropriate.
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Raoul Karlsson on March 18, 2006, 10:44:50 AM: No, this is not KB, Gullaskruf. Kjell Blomberg also did a 4th bottle with a mermaid motif.
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Raoul Karlsson on March 18, 2006, 12:44:46 PM: I´ve made a link to pictures of the four bottles Kjell blomberg designed for Gullaskruf. Enjoy!

http://www.gullaskruv.se/glas/kbbottles.htm
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Max on March 18, 2006, 12:55:28 PM: This the photo from Nigel Benson's book entitled: Glass of the '50s & '60s', A Collectors Guide. Published by Miller's. ISBN 1 84000 538 6

Described as: Decanter by Kjell Blomberg, Gullaskruf Glassworks, c 1954. Ht 24cm/9.5cm.

http://i1.tinypic.com/rmjv6f.jpg

IMHO I still feel these two decanters are Italian, and I don't think they're Dartington.

I hope it's ok to use this photo, I'm happy to delete at any time.
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Raoul Karlsson on March 18, 2006, 01:17:43 PM: YES, Decanter designed by Kjell Blomberg 1955 -KB55/22 - in Nigel Benson´s book.
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: cjf on March 18, 2006, 01:20:30 PM: Quote from: "Raoul Karlsson"
I´ve made a link to pictures of the four bottles Kjell blomberg designed for Gullaskruf. Enjoy!

http://www.gullaskruv.se/glas/kbbottles.htm

Thank you Raoul, a feast for the eyes, as always!

Have you seen the mermaid bottle in real life?
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Raoul Karlsson on March 18, 2006, 03:33:46 PM: cjf - Oh, yes. I have it in my collection (of course).
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: cjf on March 18, 2006, 05:08:39 PM: Quote from: "Raoul Karlsson"
cjf - Oh, yes. I have it in my collection (of course).

Why am I not surprised... [envious emoticon] ;)
Title: ID Help! A blue Bird from Scandinavia
Post by: Max on March 18, 2006, 05:36:41 PM: That mermaid one (well, the mould anyway!) looks fabulous. <envious too> :x