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Title: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: ardy on August 07, 2011, 11:50:38 PM
Hi All - as some of you might know I am not a fan of murano animals and I have avoided them like the plague up to now. I bought this bird http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260827161428&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
today and this is my sort of animal. Have no idea who made it but a friend of mine has a Cenedese vase that uses a similar technique.

Anita???? any ideas - Anyone else know about this odd little number?

regards
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: TxSilver on August 08, 2011, 12:22:29 AM
Looks like an Oiva Toikka (Iitalla) bird out of Finland. If it is Toikka, it is a better find than Cenedese when it comes to value. I don't know why, since the Toikka birds are made abundantly and are contemporary. People like them and pay fairly well for them.

I have seen a few birds on eBay that look like Toikka, but are attributed to someone else. Maybe someone can look that knows Iitalla glass better. We need to switch this one to the general glass group (or the Scandinavian) so other people can have a look.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: ardy on August 08, 2011, 01:09:43 AM
Well done again Anita found it in http://www.designed-in-finland.com/glass_toikkabirds.php and it states it is a long tailed duck in production since 1981.

This will be a one off as I don't plan to become a bird collector but I do like this.

regards
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: TxSilver on August 08, 2011, 01:15:28 AM
You made an excellent buy, Ardy. Very, very good price for the bird. You'll have to take a picture when it arrives and put it on the thread. Always sad when the eBay link vanishes.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: TxSilver on August 08, 2011, 01:29:01 AM
Just looked up Fugl Alli. I found the fugl means bird. I wonder if the second word is A11i or Alli. I bet it has to do with Iitalla.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: ahremck on August 08, 2011, 01:29:33 AM
Just a query from a person who lives in Melbourne, Australia not Melbourne , Florida.  Is your Ebay being flooded by material from overseas?  We used to get only about 300 to 400 items per day added to glass.  Recently it is between 1400 to 2000 mainly from the USA & GB but also from places like Denmark & Sweden.

I notice this bird is on Ebay.com.au (Australia)   :spls:

Ross
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: TxSilver on August 08, 2011, 03:21:01 AM
You can change the settings of your searches and cut out the listings that are not in your area. Postage is expensive between the the US and Australia, so I can see why you would want to do this. In the case of the Toikka bird, Ardy got a good deal, even with the postage, so it paid off.

Glad there was a bird just like yours on the page you showed, ardy. Always nice to get documentation. When you get the bird, please let me know how heavy it feels. They look feather light, but I suspect they're heavy. I've never held one.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: ardy on August 08, 2011, 05:36:36 AM
Just a query from a person who lives in Melbourne, Australia not Melbourne , Florida.  Is your Ebay being flooded by material from overseas?  We used to get only about 300 to 400 items per day added to glass.  Recently it is between 1400 to 2000 mainly from the USA & GB but also from places like Denmark & Sweden.



I notice this bird is on Ebay.com.au (Australia)   :spls:

Ross

Ross -  Australian ebay has been losing sellers at a large rate, one of the strategies to make the site continue to look large is by changing the default search to be worldwide (sellers who will deliver to Australia). Ebay australia have been very high handed and are now paying for it. Mind you they still get ridiculous prices for glass.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: Cathy B on August 08, 2011, 05:51:28 AM
Hmmm. I'd noticed that not many people are selling, and that there seem to be a few bargains around. Ardy, is that eBay's high handedness, or is it just retain (& possibly collecting) going south? I note that the ABC has cancelled Collectors.

Ross, if you go to advanced search and choose choose items located in Australia, but don't set a search term, then you get what we used to see.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: ardy on August 08, 2011, 06:05:29 AM
Cathy - Didn't realise that Collectors had been cancelled. :help:

I was referring to sellers generally and not specifically glass.  I read a bunch of posts on ebay and most were very negative about ebay's treatment of sellers ie feedback profiles, inability to set a reserve etc etc and so it went on and on. One poster claimed that 35% (I think) of sellers had left ebay OZ.

I don't sell much so it has little impact on me.

I have noticed that ebay OZ murano is often amongst the highest watch count in the world and also makes strong money compared to ebay USA.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: ardy on August 08, 2011, 06:08:57 AM
Cathy one other thing. Do you know anyone in Sydney who does good glass repairs? I have 2 pieces that need some work and my last effort at repair locally almost ruined an Archimede Seguso vase.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese?
Post by: px on August 08, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
Just looked up Fugl Alli. I found the fugl means bird. I wonder if the second word is A11i or Alli. I bet it has to do with Iitalla.

"Alli" is "Long-tailed-duck" in Finnish. That is the birds nam in English, in Latin i.e. Clangula hyemalis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-tailed_Duck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-tailed_Duck)

Fugl is not Finnish, it seems to be "bird" in Icelandic.

Btw, Oiva Toikka names his birds sometimes very accurately but he also bends the names of common birds whenever, I suppose, he thinks the bird may not exactly look like a certain species or then simply just for fun. Many of the names are really funny. (you read: hard to translate)  :)

PS. Iittala is Iittala, not Iitalla, just in case you would google  ;)
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: TxSilver on August 08, 2011, 03:39:58 PM
px, I have such a hard time figuring out how many letters to double in the word. I have to look it up each time I spell it. I guess this time I looked up the wrong spelling. I'll have to remember, 2 eyes, 2 teeth, and one long nose (old alligator). Now I'll remember. Maybe.  :D
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: px on August 08, 2011, 07:00:44 PM
... I'll have to remember, 2 eyes, 2 teeth, and one long nose (old alligator). Now I'll remember. Maybe.  :D

Ha Ha ! That's a good one!  ;D Everybody should keep that in mind. "Iiittala = old alligator"  :thup:
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: rosieposie on August 08, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: How on earth did I miss that one??  I have Oiva Toikka on worldwide search 24/7!!   :thud:

Ardy, you are one lucky Aussie!!  :cry:
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: ardy on August 08, 2011, 10:11:34 PM
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: How on earth did I miss that one??  I have Oiva Toikka on worldwide search 24/7!!   :thud:

Ardy, you are one lucky Aussie!!  :cry:

Sorry Rosie but the seller had it under Murano and did not know what it was, same as me. I just liked the look of it and bought it.
I'm living dangerously with this one as I am under strict financial instructions and only allowed to buy Archimede Seguso unless it happens to be antique jewellery,perfume or whatever Alison fancies, in which case that is different.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: robbo on August 15, 2011, 05:36:30 PM
You can just see too - on the base photo in the listing - the corner of the blue on silver Nuutajärvi label poking out underneath the rectangular white label.  :rah:

robbo
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: TxSilver on August 15, 2011, 06:27:57 PM
I was wondering about Nuutajärvi when I found the Iittala listings on Google. I always see Nuutajärvi on eBay for the Toikka birds. Did he do designs for both places? I am totally out of my element with Scandinavian glass.

Added on. Oh... never mind. Dumb question.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: rosieposie on August 15, 2011, 09:42:59 PM
You can just see too - on the base photo in the listing - the corner of the blue on silver Nuutajärvi label poking out underneath the rectangular white label.  :rah:

robbo
And I think it is signed as well!!  On the stripes going round the underside of the tail....the usual place for these birds!!  Oh you lucky boy Ardy!!
Anita....not dumb at all...I take it you found the answer?
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: ardy on August 15, 2011, 09:57:17 PM
This is a consolation prize for a poor purchase of glass last week that was supposed to be Seguso. :-[

 It will be a one off in our house but I think we will enjoy having it.
Title: Re: Who made this bird? Cenedese? ID = Toikka for Iittala
Post by: TxSilver on August 15, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
And I think it is signed as well!!  On the stripes going round the underside of the tail....the usual place for these birds!!  Oh you lucky boy Ardy!!
Anita....not dumb at all...I take it you found the answer?

Yes, I should google before I write, and not after.  :-[