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Title: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue/ ID = Kedelv for Flygfors "Coquille"
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 11, 2008, 08:02:42 PM
Hi, I have this, and it is signed but I do not know who it is?  It kinda looks like Murano glass, but not sure -- so I will ask if anyone knows what this it is.  (Good or Bad)   :-\

Hope I did OK when I got it.  I like it...so I guess thats all that matters  :-\
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 11, 2008, 08:29:56 PM
The upsidedown signature in the photograph is Flygsfors... a Swedish firm. The other is likely for Paul Kedelv, but it's hard to make out.
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Leni on February 11, 2008, 08:52:44 PM
Can we see what it is please, Rose?
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 11, 2008, 09:19:50 PM
Sure, here is one pf the pixs.  My camera isn't a big fancy camera.  I just picked this up last weekend ( with all the other stuff).  This was the second last thing I bought....and she gave me a deal on the price too.

Here you go....I just wanted it cuz it had a signature on it....

Let me know...OK



(Try this again...said was too large...whoops..and not the fastest - one handed injury) :-\


ADD:
Finally...I had to try three times - do not know what I did wrong, as I thought re-sized...but kept saying too large ???
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 11, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
I tried some **powder** to the signature here to help.  ( now I got powder dust all over....  )

Does this help any better?  And hope they are not too big to add here ( :-\ )  Any ideas at all?

Thxs
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 11, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
Nic was right - a Coquille bowl by Paul Kedelev of Flysgors. The range was launched in 1952 and produced until well into the 1960s.   ;D Well done  :hiclp:
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 11, 2008, 10:19:07 PM
Nic was right - a Coquille bowl by Paul Kedelev of Flysgors. The range was launched in 1952 and produced until well into the 1960s.   ;D Well done  :hiclp:

Is that good then ?

I thought it looked like Italian glass, and when I turned it over and saw a signature (didn't care who it was)...I just had to have it.  How does this compare (value, and desire, etc..) in the glass world?

I hoped the *53* was a date, but then I am usually wrong  :-\  This is the correct date made -- then Lustrousstone?

Any more info?
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? ID:Flygfors, Paul Kedelev
Post by: Cathy B on February 11, 2008, 10:44:38 PM
It's very nice indeed!  I'm not sure about the date system, Nic will be able to fill you in, but rest assured you've got a great piece.

Speaking of signatures, I do love your new one :)
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 11, 2008, 10:58:52 PM
It's really not my field at all, but in Ivo's book it says that Flygsfors did date their wares in the signature after the factory name, and that, had it have been produced post-1956, it would also have been signed 'Coquille'.
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 12:17:29 AM
Thank you so very much, and I have never heard of this before...but sounds like I did OK.   :chky: wii-i-i-i-i-i-

No knowing anything -- I still haggled, as usual.  lol

Is he still alive, and any other facts.  THXS
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: langhaugh on February 12, 2008, 12:59:09 AM
Rose: Coquille has been a very popular design, which you can tell by the number of companies who developed similar lines, including Lorraine from Montreal. Few, if any, of the other companies achieved quite the same quality and purity as Flygsfors. The early ones, of which you have one, are more desirable than the later ones. The little bowls like yours are fairly common on eBay and sell from $40-$100+, roughly, depending on size and colours. The vases, which are much bigger, go for quite a lot more.

Kedelv left to work for Reijmyre, where he worked until 1977, when he was 60. I don't know what happened after that, but none of the book I've got note his death. 
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Gilead on February 12, 2008, 01:03:25 AM
Hi Rose just been looking on ebay and something the same went for $355, so you have a good find, lots of his work on net if you google coquille bowk by paul kedelev
                               Gilead
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 01:09:20 AM
Rose: Coquille has been a very popular design, which you can tell by the number of companies who developed similar lines, including Lorraine from Montreal. Few, if any, of the other companies achieved quite the same quality and purity as Flygsfors. The early ones, of which you have one, are more desirable than the later ones. The little bowls like yours are fairly common on eBay and sell from $40-$100+, roughly, depending on size and colours. The vases, which are much bigger, go for quite a lot more.

Kedelv left to work for Reijmyre, where he worked until 1977, when he was 60. I don't know what happened after that, but none of the book I've got note his death. 

Thanks langhaugh for that info, and we know that e-bay prices are a guide.  I got mine here at a small Antique show in a Mall.  I did not pay much for it.  They wanted close to the $100 mark, but it was near the end of the day, and I got just a little over the $50 mark.....but did not know what I was buying.  I took a gamble on it.  I should measure it as i have not just so I know the size, and can post here.  thanks

ADD:
Thanks Gilead...I will *google* that into ebay, as I was not sure what the name was here, and was miss-spelling it. i will google it, and see what comes up.  i will also take measurements too....OK.

thank you !!
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: langhaugh on February 12, 2008, 01:19:46 AM
Rose: I should have asked you the size of the bowl. I was assuming it was around 5" long, i.e. fairly small. I checked completed sales for Coquille on eBay and I was a little optimistic for the current amrket, it seems. Was the $355 for a vase? If not, I've got a a few Coquille going on eBay very shortly!

David
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Gilead on February 12, 2008, 01:28:35 AM
Hi This one went for $325 but that may because of the colour

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Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 01:29:00 AM
Hi David...

I will measure mine.  It was Gilead that saw something for $355.  I have got to google it yet.  Are yours marked then with dates too, and what dates on yours heading to market?

(One more question:  Is Surrey what was Langley before?  Was there (Langely) once, for Horse-Racing)

What are the sizes of your bowls, or dishes that you have there.  Large or small?

thxs
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 01:30:43 AM
 :o :o

Gilead......do you have the e-bay ITEM NUMBER of that pic you posted there?  Does it give the measurements of that one?

Thxs
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Gilead on February 12, 2008, 01:44:57 AM
Hi Rose
          Found this little bit of info Paul Kedelv had a studio at Flygfors in the 50s during which time he produced his coquelle series.

Flygfors was founded in Sweden in 1888 assumed by Orrefors in 1970 and closed its doors in 1980, will go back and see if i can find the item number for you and the sizes,
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Gilead on February 12, 2008, 02:01:26 AM
Hi Rose
         Sorry it was on www.justglassmall.com/store but i came across one almost like it the number was on ebay 35001917632 hope this helps you  and i haven't misled you in any way, type in Paul Kedelv 58093
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 02:09:35 AM
I just found this too....it is NOT the same, but was made in 1955.  So if the date on mine is 1953, it is an early piece with his name on it...where (I guess) the later pieces (after 1956) said Coquille on them.

                        http://www.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/1981

In the ABOVE link it said that having the name KEDELV (rather than Coquille) makes it slightly more rarer.  Pinkspoons also said this here:

It's really not my field at all, but in Ivo's book it says that Flygsfors did date their wares in the signature after the factory name, and that, had it have been produced post-1956, it would also have been signed 'Coquille'.


and langhaugh said too
Rose........Few, if any, of the other companies achieved quite the same quality and purity as Flygsfors. The early ones, of which you have one, are more desirable than the later ones...............Kedelv left to work for Reijmyre, where he worked until 1977, when he was 60. I don't know what happened after that, but none of the book I've got note his death. 

So I guess I do have an early piece..... :chky:
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Gilead on February 12, 2008, 02:15:39 AM
Rose it seems so very happy for you nice one and you got the price down as you say, what a good day you had,
                                                                                                                                                      Gilead
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 02:27:09 AM
Gilead..

Yeah, the design is like mine (site www.justglassmall.com/store ).  I think (though) it is larger than mine, but then this one says "coquille" on it NOT Kedelv.  So according to others (and links I have found so far), having the name Kedelv is rarer, and an earlier piece. 

I am real glad  ;D I bought it not knowing, and took a gamble.

ADD:

Thanks Gilead, but ahh-h-h-h.....there were a couple pieces I was not happy with.  But that is how it goes.  Some days good, and some days bad.  I bought this bowl JUST before I spotted the glass figure (posted in Murano board today).  So hoping these *TWO DEALS* -- BACK TO BACK were good. ;)
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 12, 2008, 03:38:03 AM
I would still refrain from getting terribly excited about some of the prices being bandied about in this thread - early or not, these small bowls are fairly frequently on the market, as Langhaugh states above.

A quick glance through eBay will show that around $20-$50 USD is the standard range dictated by the market. Even at antique fairs here in the UK they are only priced at $30-$60 by scrupulous dealers. Certain other dealers, as well as online and bricks-and-mortar stores, will always charge huge amounts for commonplace items through, generally, a lack of research of the market price.

So if you bought it because you liked it, and wish to keep it, then that's great as it's a very nice piece and you weren't overcharged by any means, but I'd save the champagne celebration for another occasion, if you know what I mean.  ;D
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 12, 2008, 04:06:15 AM
Well, Yes I like, and feel good cuz I had No knowledge of the signature, at all. This is my first, and only piece of Swedish glass.

I keep my items, treasure, and love them.  I do not list, or re-sell.  I have NO ebay account -- just a single mom with a love for glass, pottery, and antiques.

I buy out of pure love....plain, and simple.  For those of us plain folks......yes, I am excited.  It is not the price, it is getting to the bottom of the hunt.  To be able to say, this is a    (whatever)    makes me happy.   When I can finally put a name, design, maker on anything, the mystery has now been solved....and so on.

 :'(  sorry, but only a little over a year ago I never knew such glass names as Murano, Federal, Davidson, Epoli, Wavecrest....etc., etc.  :-\
 
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: langhaugh on February 13, 2008, 05:01:53 AM
Rose:

I have about 9 or 10 Coquille, some bowls, a couple of little vases, and a basket. I like the blue and purple/red pieces, and am less fond of the green. They range from 1953 to early 60's. Sorry, I was joking about selling them. I'm very good at buying glass and lousy at selling it. It's seems a common complaint of the GMB.

On the off glass topic. Surrey borders on Langley, but is closer to Vancouver. It's about 400,000 pop and it does have horse racing in the shape of harness racing, just a mile and a half down the road from me. I've never been. No money left over from glass.

David
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 13, 2008, 08:25:11 AM
langhaugh...that sounds wonderful.   

I only purchased this one solely due to the fact it had a signature.  I am happy.  I will need more space in my house....if I branch into too many types. lol
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on August 25, 2008, 10:28:26 AM
Just thought I would add this YouTube video link here about a "Rare signed Paul Kedelv Flygsfors bowl".  It is really nice to see these videos..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi4E-9DjxJ0
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: antiquerose123 on September 03, 2010, 01:50:30 AM
** Bump -- and a Question **

 :hi:, I was just googling around here on the Net -- and with this signed  Paul Kedelv Flygsfors bowl, and with the number (date) of 53 -- I could not locate any other of these bowl with that early of a date, and only signed Flygsfors -- as mine does NOT say Coquille on it all.

So just wondering -- Do I have something (kinda) rare, and old (maybe) good treasure?  As I did not get any other hits with that age, and just Paul Kedelv Flygsfors? 

Or are my googling  skills -- still kinda crappy???   Just wanted some input on this.  Can anyone find one signed like mine, and the year -- as I was wondering the Value of this little Treasure  :X: I hoped I had found.

Thanks

Also is it Paul Kedelv --- or Paul Kedelev as it was spelled both ways here in the replies (???)  Maybe that is why I am not getting any hits for the date/Signature/Flygsfors  on it.

..... (MODS).....And I guess we (I) do have a positive ID for this one (RE: Title) to be added/modified.  Thanks  :kissy:
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 03, 2010, 06:29:32 AM
Not really sure what you're asking Rose. The correct spelling is Kedelv. You have a piece that dates to before 1956. Paul left Flygsfors that year, so the later pieces are signed Cocquille
Title: Re: Signature - Unknown ??? No clue/ ID = Kedelv for Flygfors "Coquille"
Post by: Daniel S on September 03, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
While Kedelv worked there his name was often on the piece like "Lustrousstone" says.
Very similar pieces can be made by Reijmyre(Kedelv worked there as well) also SEA show similar pieces.

I don't think that there is anything rare with the piece pictured in this thread. Flygsfors is easy to come by here in Sweden.(I live close to Flygsfors, Kosta, Boda, Orrefors and so on....)