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Title: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rocco on October 02, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
Found this nice teal-blue candy dish today, bought it from a guy living in Denmark (he had great Holmegaard and other Scandi glass for sale).

Remembered vaguely that I had seen a similar one with a Bertil Vallien sticker (here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/augenwunder/4653235110/) it is); but what does the signature "H 1334 / 53" mean then?
Doesn't the "H" refer to Erik Höglund?

Any info very much appreciated!
Thanks
Michael
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 02, 2011, 01:47:24 PM
Interesting, I suspect that is a design by Bertil Vallien.

John
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rocco on October 02, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Thanks, John!
Would you think that the signature was applied by mistake? (I suspect that these pieces are not usually signed?)
And what does the number refer to regarding designer, year, range etc.?

BTW, I forgot to add dimensions: 14 cm wide, 17 cm high

Michael
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 02, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
I have seen this attributed in a couple of places on line to Vallien and it somehow looks more 'Vallien' to me than 'Hoglund'.

With Erik Hoglund's stuff the first number is the design number and the second number (/xx) is the size in millimeters. I think it is less likely that the engraving was added by mistake and more likely that it was added later with the intention of deception. Not the first time a Vallien design has cropped up with 'added' engraving: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37142.0.html

John

Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: flying free on October 02, 2011, 10:34:48 PM
none of my Hoglund pieces have a / after the H which this piece appears to have.
I wonder if it is correctly signed but because it is an H, it may not necessarily mean Hoglund?
m
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: cjf on October 03, 2011, 07:22:26 AM
This is Bertil Vallien, if you click "Glas" on the below website (which is Bertil Vallien's own) and click through 10-15 pages in the pop-up you find it. The signature is probably fake and doesn't make sense, as the number after the "/" should be related to the size in some way if it were a Höglund piece.

http://www.bertilvallien.se/bilder.htm#left2
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 03, 2011, 08:45:12 AM
M, only those designs made in varying sizes have the /xxx for size.

Thank you CJF, I shall have a really good look at Valliens work later, fantastic variety.

John
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rocco on October 03, 2011, 09:10:46 AM
Thanks a lot, guys!!

I wonder why someone would apply a fake signature like this one...
Any difference in value if it was designed by Höglund instead of Vallien?
Maybe the "H" doesn't refer to Höglund but to something completely different?

cjf, great link!
Funny thing I just remembered: my parents own a smaller candy jar, slithly different shape, with a simple knob without the "ears", in exactly the same colour, complete with Boda/Afors label plus Bertil Vallien label (bought in the 1960s); does it belong to the same range?

Anyway, a nice addition to my Scandi collection :)
Michael
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 03, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
A few months ago prices suddenly jumped wildly for certain Erik Hoglund items on ebay, possibly as a result of some publicity on TV. Prices seem back to the previous levels now but it may be that whoever added the signature thought it would increase the 'value'.

John
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rocco on October 03, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Thanks, John!
I bought it at a fleamarket from an elderly collector who has been living in Denmark for a long time. He returns to Austria once a year and sells some of his glass here.
As his prizing was reasonable (I paid 12,- Euro for the jar, and most of his other items like several nice Per Lütken Holmegaard pieces were in the range of 20 - 30 Euros) I would guess he wouldn't have had any reason to fake a signature; so who knows when and by whom it was applied...

Michael

Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: flying free on October 04, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
John I mean that my pieces are signed something like H 828/140
They dont have a / after the H like this one does.  This one reads H/1334/53 - there is a slash after the H.
None of mine have that.  Do yours?
m
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 05, 2011, 07:52:49 AM
I know M, yet another reason why I consider it a faked engraving. Sometimes I don't like to highlight all the obvious mistakes, the forgers will just get better...

None of my hoggy bits have an extra / but there are a few variations like H xxx, Boda H xxx and Boda H xxx Hoglund.

On the weekend I saw yet another genuine bit of Mdina with a faked 'Mdina' signature, not that they could spell Mdina. Idiots, it's not as if it would add any value anyway.

John
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: flying free on October 05, 2011, 09:40:07 AM
oh ok, sorry, I just thought I wasn't explaining it very well  ;D
m
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rosieposie on October 05, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
Faked signatures seem to be the norm at the moment....hence my posting the Wedgwood/ Mats Jonasson thread.......and I see there is another with a lovely little bubble vase with a Tapio Wirkkaala (Spelling!?) signature.
 
I suppose in the end, it all comes down to knowing your glass, and hopefully, the ones with imprinted pontil marks will be genuine without doubt.

It beats me why they want to spoil a quality item by adding the false signature of a similarly valued item.....do you think this would devalue the original, or add to the value as a curious oddity??
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: glassobsessed on October 05, 2011, 02:29:40 PM
A wonky sig would devalue an item for many collectors so safe to assume in general terms too I suppose.
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: Daniel S on October 08, 2011, 09:00:55 AM
1. you can remove the signature, no problem at all. THis fake signature could never fool be, the style is all wrong. YOu need just 1 second to see that.

2. EH signatures are mostly H xxx/xxx, the /xxx indicates the height OR diameter. H/xxx/xxx have I never seen.
Title: Re: Boda candy dish, signed -- Bertil Vallien or Erik Höglund?
Post by: rocco on October 08, 2011, 10:23:44 AM
Thanks a lot for your input, guys!
I was still hoping that it would turn out to be some mistakenly applied pattern number, or that " H/ " is refering to someone/something different than Höglund.
But to be honest I don't mind if it has the (fake) signature or not -- I was rather sure what it was when I bought it, the signature just added to my interest.

And it is quite discreet and well executed -- no ugly big "Tapio Wirkkala" or such scratched on the bottom like we have seen in obviously fake pieces on ebay :spls:


Michael