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Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: mike_rexann on June 23, 2006, 07:04:36 PM
I have this Rose Bowl, that is 7" tall, 8" wide, and has a base of 3 3/4", with a mouth of 4 1/4". I can find out nothing about it. I am thinking Italian, but could be way off base.

TIA,
Michael

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Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2006, 07:23:52 PM
Hi Mike Welcome to the board. Nice bowl, nice photos but you missed the important one - the base.
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: mike_rexann on June 23, 2006, 07:28:08 PM
Oops, Here it is.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/mike_rex/Img00048.jpg

Michael
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
Don't know who made it but that nice base pic should help because it gives clues as to how it was made. I would guess that the white layer was blown into a small mould and then placed in a larger mould and a blue gather blown inside that to expand the lot  - but I'll let the experts tell me I'm wrong.

It's a good idea to add your location to ypur profile as it sometimes it can give a starting point as to where glass is from. Sometimes it's just a red herring of course :D
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Tigerchips on June 23, 2006, 08:03:10 PM
I have seen Bohemian rose bowls on ebay with this kind of pattern and the pattern on the base is usually off-centre like this. I think this might be different as it's not made the same way and the colour is very much different.

Just thinking out loud.  :)
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: mike_rexann on June 23, 2006, 08:06:28 PM
Thanks for the help so far, I found the piece in Kalamazoo,MI at a thrift store.

Michael
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Tigerchips on June 23, 2006, 08:48:00 PM
Like this one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Loetz-Style-Glass-Bowl_W0QQitemZ7422508164QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Similar, but still not enough evidence to suggest that it's Bohemian.
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Max on June 23, 2006, 09:05:34 PM
I agree that the shape looks Bohemian, but to me it says Italian more - due to the colour.  I hope someone pops along that can decide!   :D
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Tigerchips on June 23, 2006, 09:23:12 PM
I agree Max, it is not unusual to see a wavy rim like this on Italian glass and I think the Italians also made this style of pattern as far as I can remember.  :)
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Bernard C on June 24, 2006, 04:37:34 AM
TC — all fire-finished rims on pattern-moulded blown glass look like this, so it doesn't help with attribution.   On the shelf above me I can see several pieces of English glass with this rim.   I've seen them actually doing this on Murano, but that's simply because Murano is where we go every year to watch glass being made.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Cathy B on June 24, 2006, 07:35:47 AM
Hi everyone,

I wonder whether it's heat reactive glass? This is from Angela's glass encyclopaedia http://www.glassencyclopedia.com//opalescentglass.html
 
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The third kind of opalescent glass is hand blown and was normally made from two layers of glass. The outer layer contained heat reactive components such as bone ash. The two-layered piece was blown into a mould with the raised pattern impressed into the metal. After removing the mold, the piece had a raised pattern comprised largely of heat sensitive glass, which turned milky white when reheated. This left the white pattern like a silhouette against the usually clear background.


Does all heat reactive glass have 'fire'? Obviously this one doesn't.

Cathy
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: mike_rexann on June 24, 2006, 12:38:55 PM
I thank everyone for their help and thoughts so far, this is a wonderful group. Although the exterior is relatively smooth, except for the raised opalescent lines. The interior is very bumpy. Where-ever the opalescent lines run, it is raised on the interior, and there are bumps, where they intersect. I hope I am expaining this clear enough, being a baked dirt guy, this is out of my area of expertise.

Michael
Title: Rose Bowl ID help please
Post by: Connie on June 24, 2006, 01:10:13 PM
I would describe this rose bowl as an opalescent diamond optic rose bowl.

I am not certain if it is American or Italian.  When I first saw it I thought Itakian.  But once I saw the close-ups of the pattern, I thought American.  Those little cross pieces on the outside remind me of American pieces.  I can't find the reference of the pattern right now (I looked earlier this morning).