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Glass / Re: Interesting rock/ice formation three light candle stick
« Last post by Anne E.B. on Today at 06:29:35 PM »
I think it might be this one seen here https://www.rubylane.com/item/1812717-C118/Mid-Century-IITTALA-Trio-Candle-Holder?search=1  if the attribution is correct, i.e. Tapio Wirkkala for Iittala, Finland.
Love it!  Amazing design.
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Glass / Re: can anyone help me identify this old glass jug
« Last post by gazza64 on Today at 06:49:03 AM »
Hi, when talking about English and Irish jugs, Millerís says that jugs made before c.1870 had the handle attached just under the rim and drawn down. As your jug has the handle applied at the bottom and drawn up then it would post date c.1870. (assuming it is English or Irish). Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks Ekimp and Anne, it is a bit of a puzzle, I don't know why, but i have a feeling it is not an English or Irish jug. It has an eastern look to it in my amateur opinion.
maybe i'm wrong though. i'm still hoping someone can narrow it down a bit more.
Thanks for all your input so far ladies and gents.

Best regards.
 
Gary.
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Here is a description of that patent given to Hale Thompson and George Foord:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qss-AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA368&dq=george+foord+glass+patent&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUrNDlqpveAhVKDMAKHaegDLcQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=george%20foord%20glass%20patent&f=false

Page 367

Basically to make reflectors and other items using molds?

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Topic:  What happened to Frederick Hale Thomson?

I think that this link shows that according to the National Archives, Hale Thompson's  'correspondence and papers including notebooks of chemical experiments' and dating from 1834-1854  are/were held under item number 6200 by the ' Surrey History Centre':

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13921793


That appears to be in Woking from this info:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13531418


Surrey History Centre Browse repositories
130 Goldsworth Road
Woking
England
GU21 6ND

Telephone:

01483 518 737

Fax:

01483 518 738

Email:

shs@surreycc.gov.uk

Website:

Visit website

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oh ok, more info found on this link to the book:

'Inventing the Industrial Revolution: The English Patent System, 1660-1800

Pages 24 -27 which explains things a bit more -

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=936BqhvTGSQC&pg=PA25&dq=crystal+glass+martin+clifford&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi59IqPoZveAhVKAcAKHWA3Bd4Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=crystal%20glass%20martin%20clifford&f=false
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Glass / Crystal Glass 1660s - Martin Clifford Thomas Paulden patent
« Last post by flying free on Yesterday at 11:52:23 PM »
Just curious about the difference between:
1)  a patent for 'crystal glass' given on 10th November 1661 Patent number 134 to Martin Clifford and Thomas Paulden
2) and a patent number 140 for 'crystal glass and looking-glass plates' given to Thomas Tilson on 19th October 1662,
3) and then the Patent number 176 of 16th May 1674 (thirteen years later) given to George Ravenscroft  for 'Manufacture of crystalline glass, resembling rock crystal':

See page 323 of this google books link -

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iArKCvphWicC&pg=PA325&dq=frederick+hale+thompson+George+Foord&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijy6emlpveAhXmKsAKHVB8D3cQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Pellatt&f=false

Was George Ravenscroft's Patent for a different type of crystal glass?  Were the earlier patents for 'making crystal glass' for making crystal or something else.  Or was George Ravenscroft's 'crystalline' glass resembling rock crystal not the same as their crystal glass?

I am aware of some of the info that is available online from Glass of the Alchemists but I don't have the book.
Was that patent for Ravenscroft in 1674 for making lead crystal?
If not then what is the difference between his crystal and the crystal of the earlier patentees?  Was their crystal the one that fell to bits because it didn't have lead in it?

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Mayer Oppenheim's patent for 'Making red transparent glass' is listed here as patent number 707  on 28th November 1755 .

It is on page 323 in this link to google books:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iArKCvphWicC&pg=PA325&dq=frederick+hale+thompson+George+Foord&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijy6emlpveAhXmKsAKHVB8D3cQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Pellatt&f=false


and again on the same page and link for:  20th October 1770, patent number 969, to Mayer Oppenheim for 'Making opaque or red glass'

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I'm sure this information is known and is on the board somewhere but thought I'd add it whilst I have found it:

On google books on page 326 there is mention of a patent number 4424 of 18th December 1819 for Apsley Pellatt for :
'Encrusting into glass vessels and utensils, white or other coloured, painted or otherwise ornamented figures, arms, crests, cyphers, and any other ornaments made of composition, metal, or other suitable material.'

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iArKCvphWicC&pg=PA325&dq=frederick+hale+thompson+George+Foord&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijy6emlpveAhXmKsAKHVB8D3cQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Pellatt&f=false
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In reply 207 I asked:

Topic:  What happened to Frederick Hale Thomson?

1) On the 23rd June 1853 Frederick Hale Thomson filed for Bankruptcy.

2) I have also added in this post - his death notice which has some detail about him.

It's mainly about his his surgeon year but  refers to his glass company as the 'Glass-Silvering Company' and calls it a 'speculation'.
It links his death to this venture.


1) Bankruptcy notice in the Press gazette:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/21455/page/1900/data.pdf


This led to the following posts, one about his death (reply#198)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,65670.msg368239.html#msg368239

And the other in memorium which talks about the failure of his business and how it affected him(reply#197)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,65670.msg368235.html#msg368235



So he may have still been making silvered glass items (I'm thinking more finger plates, plates for boxes, smaller more mass produced items possibly?) after September 1851 when the company (Thomson, Varnish and Cookney) was disbanded.



2) Death notice in the Lancet:
Click here to view




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I don't know if I mentioned this before but in the Mechanics Magazine Saturday September 27 1851 (see page 241 of link for cover and date), on page 259 at the bottom right hand side,it says under the heading 'Weekly List of New English Patents' - 'Frederick Hale Thompson of Berner's-street, Middlesex, gentleman, and George Foord,of Wardour-street,in the same county, chemist, for improvements in bending and annealing glass.'

So, Frederick Hale Thompson was still experimenting with glass ideas on 27 September 1851 with a chemist called George Foord.

LINK


That patent number found in this link on page 325 was Patent number 13751  registered to Frederick Hale Thompson and George Foord.

LINK

Kev,sorry!  I've forgotten again how to shorten the links.  Apologies.  Mod: Link shortened for you :)
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Glass Paperweights / Re: Perthshire Paperweight with Ca in centre
« Last post by AJY on Yesterday at 09:43:55 PM »
Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry about the inverted images! The bases are both blue glass and both concave and polished. One has letters on the base and the other has nothing. The collectors association is a good idea.
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