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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on October 19, 2005, 07:41:44 AM
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http://tinypic.com/erg2z5.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3079
Pressed brown basket, circular pontil mark unfinished, hand applied handle in sapphire blue.
French? :roll: British? :roll:
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Hi Ivo,
I've seen this unusual combination of colours in France - can't recall instantly whether Vallerysthal or Portieux - one of them produced a stemware line '?Carmen?' in amber (stem) and blue (cup)
Hope this helps
best regards
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I know what you mean - Portieux still have this service in production, which was designed for Napoléon - but I think the amber is much lighter. The item is also rougher than most Val/Por I know - so I wondered maybe it could me Meisenthal?
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...and, as we are still in the upper section of this thread I may correct myself without quoting:
The amber/blue combination I meant is Portieux, the name is ISABELLE (instead Carmen sorry) and the cup is amber, and the stem is blue (uranium)
Ivo, can you please submit more regarding the pattern of this basket - description, photos? I definitely cannot make out - are there roses, grapes or what else?
Thank you!
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Wild rose, without any doubt. There is a flower in full bloom just where the handle is attached, the leaves are botanically correct for roses and there is one rose bud at the end of the twig.
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very good description which makes it really visible, Ivo thank you!
this sounds and looks like the classic 'Meissen-Rose' how we call this pattern here, very often also found on ?punched? silver items like my small cups and a napkin ring...
Should we thus look into the Brockwitz or even Bohemian direction?
Sorry, so far always forgot to mention: it's a beauty - I like it very much!
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Visited Valérysthal several times, it is a lovely place. A tiny valley in the North Vosges, in which a crumbling industrial complex overgrown with weeds. It used to be a big factory, not any more. They have been reorganised as a Cristallerie, and they make very nice tableware - still in conjunction with Portieux, both under the management of Harzviller, the dinnerware maker.
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Think the pic needs updating
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done - but left the original tinypic link in place. October 2005 and still working September 2006...
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Notley / Miller's p25 shows a matching blue/amber tazza. I had until recently a matching celery and water jug. Always unusual combinations of pressed and hand-made. The celery was magnificent with a tall three dolphin pressed base and a ribbed hand made tall top.
Notley increases the value substantially for reverse pairs.
Always, in my experience, blue/amber, never any other colour combination.
Bernard C. 8)
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I have a pair of amber tankards with wrythen blue handles, with Mary Gregory style paintings to the front
I had them on ebay - they didn't sell :cry:
but here is the link to the boy, if you would like to have a look, the colours seem lighter than this dish, but similar combination.
amber and blue tankard (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330014495464&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEUS%3AIT&rd=1)
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Lynne — There was a similar handle on my jug.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi All,
You do see similar open baskets with four dolphin shaped feet and decorated with sea shells and the like. We have an amber one with a blue handle and a blue one with an amber handle. I have also seen the same basket in plain flint.
There was an article about them in one the the pressglas-korrespondenz issues a while back. If I remember correctly no maker was identified, but the author thought they were french.
Regards
Chris
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Bernard - do you have a rough date for your piece? I am feeling edgy about these tankards, I have a gut feeling they are later than I first thought. The Mary Gregory forgeries are getting more and more like the real 19th c thing, there is only the base glass to go on these days.
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Bernard - do you have a rough date for your piece? I am feeling edgy about these tankards, I have a gut feeling they are later than I first thought. The Mary Gregory forgeries are getting more and more like the real 19th c thing, there is only the base glass to go on these days. ...
Lynne — Notley dates these to c1895. In style, perhaps, but the moulds always look rather knackered, a bit leaky. Notley also suggests German moulds, but a French or Belgian glass house. Having seen some factory reference collections on Murano containing wonderful Victorian English style glass still being made in the 1950s, I think you could add as much as 60 years to Notley's date, and still be a little optimistic.
I would be interested in how you know the difference between the old "Mary Gregory" glass and that which looks as if it has just been unpacked from the factory's boxes.
It is nice to find someone else showing a little caution about this glass.
Bernard C. 8)
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Well, French/German/Belgian glass would be right, as most of the Mary Gregory style Victorian/Edwardian pieces came out of Bavaria.
In general I go on the painting style. In the old pieces, the heads and feet are a certain shape, there is a degree of "cameo" three dimensions in the way that the paint is applied, the ferns are lighter and more delicate, the whole quality is greater.
Disregarding the VERY horrible screen printed ones (UGH! I can't see how anyone could be taken in) and the ones with very large heads with 1950 Italian style pony tails on the girls, which are obvious, so not trying to deceive (IMHO) I am just a bit dubious if the painting doesn't fit well with the glass. I like to see age in the glass - optical ribbing and strong pontils on the vases and good Victorian/Edwardian gilding on the trays and trinkets. It is like a lot of things I suppose, just gut and lots of handling.
I've been lucky to sell some very nice Mary Gregory in the past.