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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Otis Orlando on February 10, 2012, 01:20:00 AM
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Hi all, I purchased this paperweight along with others as a job lot. This particular paperweight along with another one which I will post some time this week, attracted my attention, due to it's close concentric design. I first thought it could be a perthshire. I have no idea and not able to find one of a very similar design. It is a very heavy paperweight and weighs approx. 700g. The height is approx. 6.8cm with a dia. 8.8cm. My focus of attention in order of finding any leads were based solely upon the centre white cane and the outer red star shape canes. There are no other visible markings that I can identify in order to assist me with my search. The flat base is slightly polished and shows signs of wear. On the base there is a small mark or imperfection......... I think? The mark first led me to think it was Murano but the mark is smaller than the ones I have previously seen. The mark is oval and concaved and measures approx. 0.4cm and about 1.4cm away from the outer base line. I am unable at the moment to get a good picture of this. Any help in identifying this, would be appreciated!
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Have you considered that it might be Chinese?
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To be honest, no! But an area I could do with researching. I have a few others with similar designs and it would certainly be an area to explore. Thanks!
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Hi. I would vote for Chinese too.
Alan
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Cheers Alan, another one I can add to my Chinese collection. :smg:
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Chinese yes and a reasonable one too. I realise "chinese" sort of conjours up a second rate weight but there are several made that can be very collectable if we consider price against artistic value. Roger.
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And for extra confirmation, check out eBay (& elsewhere) for listings of Ann Primrose Murano Collection D'arte items.
See this eBay listing (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ann-Primrose-Murano-Cristalleria-Collection-Star-Millefiori-Paperweight-w-Box-/120782781650?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1f36fcd2) (item 120782781650) for an example with a very close cane match to one in Otis's weight - the red star centre with blue-white outers. That weight has a pettern that is typical of lots of Chinese work from at least ten years ago to current times.
And as far as I can tell, all of the other current eBay listings for "Ann Primrose" weights are for items with typically Chinese patterns and canes.
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So its chinese origin or chinese canes but with a murano label attached.
Recently 3 or 4 Murano weight makers were hauled to court by the government because of putting Murano labels to Chinese imports. Must have been cheaper than making them theirselves. Roger.
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Hi all, Thanks for your info. however, somewhat confused. ::). I am very much enclined to agree though, that the Paperweight on Ebay is from the same source as mine, especially paying close attention to the canes that are very similar or should I say, the same. I can rule out Murano, but bare in mind I am no expert, as the quality compared to others I have seen is just not there. I am still going to go along the lines that mine is Chinese. :thup:
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Are the older Chinese ones worth collecting? As they must have a field of their own for collectors? Not like the mass market ones made like today...
This one looks nice and well made compared to some I have seen (or bought myself) :spls:
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Hi. I think older pieces - meaning pre 1945 - have got to be worth collecting, especially the rarer facetted pansy and nosegay designs and similar, and the more detailed millefiori ones. Also Chinese whites, of course. And aquarium weights. At some point Chinese collectors will get into the market for the rarer, early pieces. I doubt that the ones that have appeared in vast numbers in the last 25 years will attract much interest...but who knows?
Alan
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Thanks to you all for you comments. Appreciated! I must confess too Rose, I do like it myself and want be getting rid of it in a hurry. I am assuming from your comments Alan that the mine could be possibly pre - 1945?
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Hi Otis
I cannot be sure about yours, but I have a very, very similar pink Chinese flower paperweight which sits on the bathroom window sill, and dates to around 2005.
I have never seen a Chinese crimp rose paperweight that I would date to pre-1945. But they may exist, of course.
Alan
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Au contraire...Chi made footed crimp roses in the 1930s copying the Millville Rose. I have several in my collection.
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Hi Mark.
Thanks for the update / correction. I have not seen any in the UK - perhaps they were mainly (solely?) imported to the US, given that is where crimp roses are collected?
Alan
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Hi all, You will have to excuse my knowledge on millefiori paperweight, especially when referring to canes. Would you say the canes in my paperweight is 'Crimp Roses'? ::)
Oh! by the way Alan. With ref. to the contents within your most recent message, please disregard the info below if your are already aware.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1283933/Family-mansion-destroyed-freak-accident-paperweight-causes-fire.html.
I used to have my paperweights displayed on the windowsill but now they are just kept in a unit and away from direct sunlight.
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Hi Otis
I'm well aware of the (slight) risk of fire...I included a similar article in the PCC Newsletter a bit ago. And I have personal experience of having burned some marks on tables in the conservatory by leaving weights there for just a few minutes (and also burned the palm of my hand in a few seconds...)!
However, it needs to be a particular shape of paperweight (roughly spherical) for the focal point to fall conveniently on the surface nearby, and it needs to be primarily a clear glass design. My damage was caused by two Mayauel Ward floral weights. But you should not leave paperweights in sunlight anyway: the heating can cause them to crack, and there is a risk with some paperweights that the UV will lead to purple discolouration due to excess manganese precipitating out of the clear glass (early Paul Ysart weights and some Silesian weights are prone to this problem, even out of strong sunlight).
Alan
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Otis I think the conclusion about your PW is that it is modern Chinese possibly using Murano canes. It is nothing to do with crimp roses.
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The crimp rose item is the one that Roger showed - not Otis's weight.
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Hi Alan, I thought it was worth mentioning anyway and the info. you have provided will certainly be more than useful to the new followers of Glassmessages. It's so easy to be distracted from the 'safety in mind', whilst placing a paperweight on a window sill. It is definitely a subject/topic that requires awareness. Within such beauty can also lie danger. Even now I don't honestly think much is done to make people aware. Even carers of the elderly are known to place paperweights on window sills.
Anyway, Many thanks to you all for your contribution to this post.