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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Galle on April 02, 2008, 02:34:31 AM
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Looking for help with an ID on this piece - I'm thinking one of two things - Stevens & Williams or Harrach. Has anyone seen this before?
Thanks,
Warren
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It is actually uranium glass? It is really cased? I always think of casing as being a thick layer over part or whole. I have two items with this opalescent interior threading. The threads are between two layers of the body glass, but I don't think that qualifies as casing. I think you might need to think broader than S&W or Harrach. Can we see a few close ups please, including the top rim
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Christine,
It is uranium, and it appears to be a layer of pink underneath - the threads in between, and uranium on the outside. I will take some more pics tomorrow. Thanks - I will keep an open mind. :)
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Cased means at least two layers, the first gather being cased by the second, they can be different or the same colours. Decoration in between the layers is quite common. Not to be confused with flashed where a decoration layer is applied to part or all of the outside during blowing.
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I stand corrected on cased, thanks Frank
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Here are a few close-up photos:
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Wonderful craftsmanship!
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Hmm, much like the construction of mine except mine are white (opalescent) in amber with uranium trimmings (feet on one strange thingy and a handle on a teeny jug). I'm :mrgreen: Somewhere (Gulliver?, on here?) I read that these all-in-one feet were a Bohemian characteristic
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Somewhere (Gulliver?, on here?) I read that these all-in-one feet were a Bohemian characteristic
That was certainly something implied by Cyril Manley, who thought the "English style" was with the feet worked in a sort of "loop" around the base of the item but where the base was covered entirely and then worked at the edges, it indicated a "Continental style".
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So would this lean back to Harrach, then... or possibly Franz Welz?
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Only if the comments about the way the foot was formed were really true. I suspect that various English work may well have had an all-over foot style!
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Well I don't know if it means anything, but it's fun to post the photos anyway... the seller of this vase had another piece running concurrently with this one - same start and end time, and it was a documented Harrach piece
(first pic). Mod: eBay watermarked image removed for copyright reasons
I have one very similar (second pic). The third and fourth pics are of two Franz Welz pieces I have with applied feet - nowhere near as fancy as the vase that is the subject of this thread, however.
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Thanks to you all for playing, by the way. :)
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Cased means at least two layers, the first gather being cased by the second, they can be different or the same colours. Decoration in between the layers is quite common. Not to be confused with flashed where a decoration layer is applied to part or all of the outside during blowing.
Frank — Christine is doing far better than me — I've lost it completely. I had thought that casing and flashing were two different glassmaking techniques, not that they were differentiated by their purpose. Also that casing and flashing could take place inside an object. Also that gathering happened just the once. I can see that when the parison (hope that's correct) is returned to the pot for more metal (hope that's correct) to be added, I shall have to learn Italian to find out whether it's a second gather, being cased, or being flashed.
At least I have encalmo sorted out, 100% rock solid. Iestyn Davies explained it to me.
Bernard C. 8)
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We love playing but it's naughty to post pix that don't belong to you, i.e., the first one, so the Mods will delete it. Looks like I'd better post a picture of my thingy because it may be related, but it may have to wait till I have time and daylight.
If the vase is documented Harrach (where BTW?) Harrach looks a better bet than Welz
How come this has become a sticky :huh: :huh:
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It is documented as Harrach in Das Böhmische Glas von 1700 - 1950 (Passau Museum Collection), Band III - Historismus. It's a seven volume set of books in German that covers pieces on display in the Passau Museum in Germany.
Sorry about the one pic - the other listing ended long ago, but if I can edit it out , I will.
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Here's my thingy - no way is it a vase but I suppose it might be a candle holder - and my teeny jug, both with the internal threading. The thingy is quite heavy and better made than the jug. The green on both is uranium
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Wow, Christine - that's an awesome object - it's gotta be Harrach. I don't know about the jug, though.
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Do you reckon so ;D ;D ;D . It's 8.5 in tall and impossible to clean, it narrows to one-eight of an inch :(
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I do so reckon. :)
Is it verböten to post a scan of a partial page from a reference book here? I could show you the citation from Das Böhmische Glas. If not, then I could email it to you?
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Educational usage specifically excludes a public posting of such an image, a tracing is OK, as is a full reference to the book, page and plate number.
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Warren, that is awesome! What an odd, nifty piece! I wonder if the bottom was suppose to hold something, like a centerpiece display of branches under the vase - or something.
Frank — Christine is doing far better than me — I've lost it completely. I had thought that casing and flashing were two different glassmaking techniques, not that they were differentiated by their purpose. Also that casing and flashing could take place inside an object. Also that gathering happened just the once. I can see that when the parison (hope that's correct) is returned to the pot for more metal (hope that's correct) to be added, I shall have to learn Italian to find out whether it's a second gather, being cased, or being flashed.
At least I have encalmo sorted out, 100% rock solid. Iestyn Davies explained it to me.
Bernard C. 8)
Bernard, you're right, they are different techniques (sort of). You can flash or case glass by dipping your object in glass, but flashing is a much thinner layer. Casing can also be done by cupping, in which one bubble is blown into a cup-shaped (bubble with an open end) piece of glass.
A parison (partially inflated gather, before it's been shaped) can be returned to the same pot for more metal, but at that stage it would probably be done to increase the thickness of part of it, or add something to the end. To be cased, I would think there would have to be a contrasting layer somewhere, but it could just be something like the opaque threads of Warren's vase.
Looks to me like the sides of a ribbed mold was lined with white rods, the pink blown into the mold, the vase then twisted and dipped (cased) in a layer of green.
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I'm also interested in finding out more about this type of glass, as I have a number of example in my collection, some with, & some without uranium. The factor in common is the cased glass with stripes inside.
Here are some of mine:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9789 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9789)
Ignore the vase on the left, its the right hand one that I'm referring to in this instance. Cased glass with stripes & applied uranium decoration.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9790 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-9790)
This vase & jug do not contain any uranium, but share many design characteristics, thus suggesting a similar origin. The applied decor is pale pink. I also have (sorry no pics) a fancy candleholder & a round footed bowl (sadly missing its lid) in the same design.
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Email received - they certainly look related. :clap: Marinka's pink-trimmed vase is certainly another close cousin to the vase in Das Böhmische Glas. Perhaps you could send her the scan for info
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Many thanks for the scan! :)
Very interesting. This book looks excellent. Looks like another one to add to my "to buy" list.
So I can pencil these items of mine in as being Bohemian, if not Harrach, then.
Anything in this particular book on peloton glass, by the way (to move only slightly off-topic)?
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Nothing in this book (actually, a seven volume set of books in German) about peloton, but I can tell you something you may already know - that the process was created by William (Wilhelm)? Kralik, who worked at the Harrach glassworks at the time - this is not the same Wilhelm Kralik whose sons had the firm Wilhelm Kralik Söhne - the Kralik we know as "Kralik". Dates are all wrong, so it was a different guy. :)