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Title: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: Roger H on January 05, 2012, 12:03:28 PM
     Kevin, you did suggest this so I'm starting it. Since about 2005, which this is, the leaves on JDs flowers have had a very definite veining on them, different to the 19th century type, at first I didnt like them but now I do. Whether John makes the new type leaves or not I do not know but the pansy is exquisite. Who is the torchworker?
   Regards Roger.
      PS. This is a discussion board isnt it,I hope.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: daveweight on January 05, 2012, 01:28:14 PM
Hi Roger
I am going to put my money on Willie Manson doing the lampwork for this beautiful weight as he was working with John Deacons at that time and it was the following year they brought out the Strathearn range of weights which had both their signature canes but let's see if anyone else has any other suggestions
Dave
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: Gary on January 05, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
I got this J Deacons paperweight as a present a few years ago, not knowing much about paperweights I assumed JD done the lampwork. That was until I read the previous thread relating to lampwork. Does anyone know who done the lampwork on this paperweight.
Gary
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: daveweight on January 05, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Hi Gary
My guess is that John himself made the lampwork in your weight but I can appreciate how confusing it is when John made many paperweights using lampwork by different artists. After a while you do get to know their techniques and styles so it is often possible to identify them
Dave
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 05, 2012, 02:44:28 PM
Perhaps it might be an idea for those interested in tracking down the correct artists to contact JD and ask him to provide clarification about past weights - and to encourage him to include their canes in the weights in the future too - let him know that this IS what collectors want to know.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: Gary on January 05, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
Cheers Dave for the info.
Gary
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: daveweight on January 10, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Has anyone noticed the pedestal weights on Ebay made by John Deacons containing lampwork by Allan Scott ?
Dave
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: SophieB on January 10, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
Hi Dave,

No, I have not seen them. Was this recently? Do you have a link or a picture?

I know that Allan has started working with John Deacons again and was told that they were doing a batch of pedestal weights. Would this be from the same 'batch'? Do you know?

Anyway, I am looking forward to see Allan's work again.

SophieB  
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: tootingpf on January 11, 2012, 09:50:03 AM
Would it be this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Deacons-Floral-Spray-Pedestal-Paperweight-/250970049924?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3a6efb0d84#ht_1216wt_1320

Interesting weight, as you can clearly see what JD has added as the 'encaser'.  Can't say I like it, but I'm just not a fan of pedestal weights in general.  Too fussy for my tastes!

Graham
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: daveweight on January 11, 2012, 11:40:50 AM
This is one of three or four this seller has on Ebay Sophie so you can take a look and see what you think of them
Dave
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Very interesting!
I'm surprised at my reaction here. I really would love a Willie Manson "Bat Cave" weight, and there's one there (only 5 bats, but not overly expensive).... but it's got a JD cane in it. I don't want a JD cane in "my" Bat Cave weight, it spoils it completely - both visually and for the irritation factor of having the wrong artist featured in such an obvious way. I'm not remotely interested in buying it. The same goes for the Salamander one.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: tootingpf on January 11, 2012, 12:20:03 PM
Now that IS a bit cheeky!

I love the bat cave weights (I have two - one even with a little personalised sign in it - special service offered by Willie) and both the lampwork and the overall weight are wholly WM's design (as far as I know).  It's one of his most attractive designs.  Personally, I'm aiming for  a shelf full of them. Think that would be impressive!

Is it this weight though?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/William-Manson-Bat-Cave-Paperweight-/250958498565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6e4acb05#ht_954wt_1320

I can't make out the cane very well, but it looks like one of WM's to me!

Graham
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
Well there are only 50. My brother has the 49er, Willie's wife the 50er. You're unlikely to get your mitts on either of them.
My brother's does not have the JD cane in it. And as you say, it's all Willie's design.

It's definitely a JD cane in the Bat Cave. I can't make out the Salamander one so well, but it still has the colours of the JD one.

I don't think I'm being remotely cheeky. Just reporting my reaction to a bit of art which, for me, has been completely spoiled. My reaction to art is personal and a gut thing. The colours of the cane spoil it, the shape of the cane is incongruous with the theme - as is the lettering. And it's not even the artist's initials.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: SophieB on January 11, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
Hi Sue,

It is a willie manson cane in the bat cave (although I agree with you the colours are unfortunate). If you enlarge picture 4 it shows the wm lettering clearly and reveals willie manson's signature on the base, too...

The salamander weight also has a wm signature cane. I really like its rock like look/overlay and there the green signature cane works.

SophieB
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 02:54:46 PM
I'm afraid I still don't like it, and I don't think it fits in the weight at all.

Why can't they shove these ugly bits in the base?  :thud:

I've written to the seller to ask whose initials are in the canes. :thup:
I don't understand why they didn't make it clear in their description. It does seem to be of critical importance.

But even if it turns out to be a WM cane in the bat cave, I'm afraid I'm still really put off by it. :cry:
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: tootingpf on January 11, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
BTW Sue, I was referring to being cheeky if  a JD cane was in the Batcave - not you for not liking it!!  

PS  I agree with the look of it - the colour of the cane really stands out.....
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
 :pb:
Paranoia strikes again!  ;D
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: tootingpf on January 11, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Hee hee!  Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy paranoia!
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Or with asking questions.  ;D
The seller has replied to me and tells me that both the Bat Cave and the Salamanders contain WM canes.

I'm surprised. I would have thought he'd have placed the canes far more discretely.  :thud:
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: SophieB on January 11, 2012, 06:12:24 PM
And he might have used a less conspicuous colour (what's wrong with black) ;)

Thanks for asking the seller.  :thup:

You mentioned the number of bats, do you know the maximum bats that Willie Manson has encased in a single cave weight?

sophieB
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 11, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
50.
It started with his wife's 50th birthday weight. Each one has a different number of bats, 50 down to 1. 50 weights in total. He hated making them!
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: tootingpf on January 11, 2012, 07:51:26 PM
I make that 1,275 bats!  :o No wonder Willie hated it!

I think I saw the birthday weight - it was gorgeous.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 12, 2012, 11:00:57 AM
 :sun: I saw it too. I had a long chat with him at the time, which is how I know he hated doing these in particular.
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: alexander on January 12, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
I have the #4 and it's black in color and with the same cane placement, could the color in this eBay sale be due to lighting?
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: w84it on January 13, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
I'm not sure i'm following this bat thread.

I have a Willie Manson batcave, black surround with just two bats.  It was made in 1999 and is numbered 81/100.  How does that fit with the idea of each of 50 weighshaving a different number of bats?

Cheers

Keith
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: ALLAN on January 16, 2012, 08:24:49 PM
Hi,
   Just a small clarification of the situation regarding John Deacons and I working together again. John occasionally asks for some lampwork from me, which I am happy to do for him, but the layout of the lampwork and design of the weights are all down to him. As for the pedestal weights he has on e.bay, I designed some weights for myself and got them made in return for my work. I have these weights myself so I presume John quite liked my Idea and has made some of his own with some of the flowers I made for him. Unless the weights have my "A" cane in them then I have had little to do with the final design so the weights are really just John's weights.I hope this information is of some use and interest to everyone.

                                                                Allan
Title: Re: OK, Who made the lampwork?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 16, 2012, 08:28:37 PM
It helps a great deal, Allan, thank-you.  :thup: