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Title: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: soledivo on December 19, 2009, 11:14:47 PM
just a quicky,

when the above has been signed, has it been archimede 1st or seguso ?

like all of you i've seen a few examples but a recent 1 has me confused.
probably me being dense, thought i'd ask.  :chky:
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: ardy on December 23, 2009, 02:11:38 AM
I am always nervous of signatures on A.Seguso pieces as most of them appear to have been put on by ebay sellers.

I saw one online on an exhibition piece with A.Seguso and a date and number that looked like it could have been the real thing. Leslie Pina has an example in her book Archimede Seguso but that may or may not be the real thing.

I have noted the amazing increase in signatures on glass over the last 3 years. It is very bad in my book. >:(

Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: soledivo on December 23, 2009, 03:04:56 AM
thats what prompted me to ask, the 1 was looking at looked like it had been painted on, out of focus, i gave it a wide birth.
I was interested to see if any of you had seen variations of the signature.
thanks ardy  :chky:
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: ardy on December 23, 2009, 06:26:51 AM
Meant to say Leslie Pina's example is enscibed as 'Archimede Seguso 1952'. The 1952 looks like it could have been done a fair while ago due to how the 9 was written but still it is all a guess. Give me a label any day.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: langhaugh on December 23, 2009, 06:58:31 AM
Marc Heiremanns in Murano Glass: Themes and Variations has five examples of the Archimede Seguso signature. Two are Seguso Archimede, which he states is diamond engraved on exhibition pieces in the 50's. Three are Archimede Seguso engraved in the 60's and later on "artistic series." So the signature would be very likely to forged if it's on a production piece. I've found Heiremeanns to be very accurate.

Hope this helps.

David
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Youngone on October 25, 2018, 10:05:32 PM
I bought a lovely Murano black glass bird and am unable to find any information about it. 

Also there is a signature and label on the base which I would like to have confirmed as to whether it is a fraud or not, and if possible what year it was made please?

I'm very new to glass, mostly I concentrate on New Zealand pottery and crockery made by a company called Crown Lynn.

Thanks in advance for any information
Sharon Young

Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Youngone on October 25, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
Sorry, I put the incorrect photo on the last post.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: langhaugh on October 26, 2018, 12:48:59 AM
Hi,

I think the label is a genuine label, so the bird was made in the Seguso factory. However, almost certainly not by Archimede Seguso himself as it is a production piece. My sense is that the signature is a later addition.  I don’t think that it makes much difference to its value, though. In many glassworks  birds like this are made by the less experienced workers. They are nice pieces (i’ve bought  more than a few), but not worth a huge amount.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: ardy on October 26, 2018, 02:05:36 AM
Hi Sharon, I agree with Langhaugh, genuine item but not by Archimede himself. Mind you he was overlooking production so it is still of excellent quality.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Youngone on October 26, 2018, 07:34:42 AM
Thank you so much, very grateful for the info.  We're a small country here in New Zealand and so it was nice to find this beautiful bird, and at a reasonable price.   :)

Regards
Sharon
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: ardy on October 26, 2018, 07:51:18 AM
As he died in 1999 anything you can get of his at a reasonable price is getting hard to find. I collect him specifically and there are copies of some of his work out there with good copies of his signature and they are asking high prices for them ie $US1000+
So any genuine piece is worth having. Hint, look for a label (check the labels file above) and forget the signatures he only signed his very best pieces and they are multiple thousands if you can find them.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Youngone on October 26, 2018, 08:01:25 PM
Thanks for the info, it's all very interesting.  I did check the labels but was unable to find this particular one, which is why I queried whether it was fake. 
I may look to sell the bird, so will enjoy it till then!  :D
Regards
Sharon

Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: ardy on October 27, 2018, 12:22:24 AM
Yes the labels file is not complete add yours to it?

I don't collect any of his animals etc so can't suggest whether it is worth hanging onto or not. There is the 'Murano zoo' run by a woman here and she knows a lot about them.
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Youngone on October 27, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
After a bit more research about the making of Murano glass, I checked the base and it is flat, with no punt mark so I can assume it is a fake.  ::)

Thanks for everyone's comments
Sharon
Title: Re: ARCHIMEDE SEGUSO
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 28, 2018, 01:42:12 PM
The base is fine; a pontil mark would be very unusual for something like this