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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: dirk. on September 02, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
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had a great experience on one of my fleamarket strolls last Saturday. the story
however begins around last Easter...
while browsing through the great-glass site i spotted a little vase in their
unknown Austro-Bohemian section bearing an FWK label. to avoid the impression
i was knowledgeable in any way - i had come across this label two days ago on
designhandlung.de. Franz Welz Klostergrab.
after an initial thought of "why contacting people you don't know.." I decided
"why NOT contacting people you don't know..."
so I let them know about my find, gave them the link to it, got a nice reply and
thought "so much for it!".
I had further looks at the vase from time to time and began to like it more and more.
such vivid colours!
last weekend however i made an excellent find: a lidded box with exactly the same
decoration! assuming there are not too many of these around - what a coincidence!
i like to think (a tiny superstitious bit) it was a quantum of karma.
here's a picture of it:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-11883
needless to say: i was told it is Murano! ::)
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Ohhhh Dirk, that *is* unusual! What an interesting story.... I think we need to move this over to GLASS as we'll lose it from Cafe after so long, and it's a useful piece of information as well as your story. :)
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I tend to think that your 'eye' becomes attuned to a design, you may well have seen them before but gave them no attention, this all changes when you sensitise yourself to something (sounds like awful waffle).
The brain is very good at pattern recognition, most (if not all) of the processing goes on in the background and our conscious minds are only alerted to any 'interesting' results, everything else is ignored.
Recently I can not stop finding Whitefriars bud vases, much to the delight of a friend who loves Whitefriars.
I thought all glass was Murrano or Witefriers!
John
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John, you're absolutely right about "selective perception", but how does a term like that sound in a good story? ;)
finding an item as this however remains a strong coincidence IMHO.
BTW some months ago i bought a "Maroni" vase. I told the seller that i think it's a Czech vase. he insisted: "perhaps, but made of maroni-glass".
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What an unusual colourway and design! Thanks for sharing. :D
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It is a great piece of Welz. Very distinctive colors and patterns.
I am attaching a link to a Picasa web album I uploaded. It contains images sent to me by Alfredo of some Welz pieces at Passau.
The 2 vases in the first picture on the right side of the bottom shelf are incorrect attributions. The orange piece is a Rindskopf piece, and the black and white piece is Kralik.
http://picasaweb.google.com/Obscurities1/WelzCasesPassau#
When he sent me the images, it turned out that I had just missed a pink Welz on ebay that I could not identify that was the same as the first vase on the top shelf.... The pictures on ebay were not good, but the shape and color are pretty definitive (in hindsight).
Craig
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Craig, thanks a lot for the additional photos! mmh, I get the feeling I've already owned a Welz piece some time ago - think I sold it as possibly Kralik. 8)
this one however will certainly stay with me.
I'm planning to make a detour to Passau next time I visit a friend of mine in Munich, which hopefully will be possible in January.
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Thank you so much for all this info and the pictures!
I quite often see interesting pieces, very similar to the orange bits with the black combed effect, often attributed wrongly to WF, but without the contrasting yellow blobs at the base. I've always wanted to know what they are. They "speak" of a competence and good quality, but have always been left behind to pacify my OH who is fed up of glass everywhere, and I haven't bought "bits which will probably prove to be interesting" for years..... :'(
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One of a million reasons to buy further glass could be: I've got one, I could have another in a different colourway. So here's another Welz lidded box. With 10cm in diameter it's a bit smaller than my first one. 8)
Seems I'll need a blue and turquoise one now. ;D
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Nice, one more and you have a collection! :hiclp:
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Nice story, congratulations, Dirk and thanks for sharing it!
I thought all glass was Murrano or Witefriers!
John
yep.
Then you learned there's also Sklo and Rihimaki. ;) ::)
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Dirk, the orange and yellow decor is shown on two different forms in the Passau.
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Thanks for your nice comments! Hope I'll be able to update soon.
This one BTW was described as WMF Ikora. ;D
edit: Hi Craig, your links still work. Do you know, if they were also done in pink with contrasting blobs?
Would make another combination to look for.
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Hi Dirk,
I have not seen a pink with contrasting, but that does not mean it is not out there... There is next to no documentation on Welz, so all research to determine their production is quite time consuming, looking for labels to link pieces, shapes and decors....
I recently actually found an example of a style of "knuckle" vase, commonly attributed to Kralik, which has a Welz label on it....
The site I am working on with Alfredo and others will likely have more Welz documentation than can be found anywhere.... It is kind of a pet project of mine, as I really like the bold contrasting colors they used on some of their production....
Craig
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Thank you, Craig! As said before, I'm really curious about that site. All the best for your project! :thup: