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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: northernridge on March 24, 2010, 05:29:46 PM
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Someone on eBay's PGP Board sent me here. I'll be very grateful to learn all I can about these. //
The person who gave them to me is a good friend who retired about ten years ago. She inherited them from her grandmother-in-law, who was a collector residing in Louisville. She tells me they are finger bowls. // My understanding is that they are Venetian glass aventurine. And we suspect they are by Salviati. (I sold a huge set of custom-made Salviati red glass dinnerware a few years ago.) They date, I'm told, to late 19th century.
Mod: Links tidied up for clarity:
Here is what is probably the least pretty of them.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/northernridge/ehG.jpg
The bowl by itself.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/northernridge/ehG1.jpg
From a different angle.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/northernridge/ehG2.jpg
The saucer.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/northernridge/ehG3.jpg
Close-up the aventurine sparkles.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/northernridge/ehG4.jpg
Thank you!
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Oh, dear. It seems that my method of posting photos on the eBay boards doesn't work here. I need help, please.
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http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html
:)
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They look right for 19th century Salviati , IMHO . JP :thup:
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They look right for 19th century Salviati , IMHO . JP :thup:
Definitely -- late 19th & early 20th Century. This set is well documented in several sources.
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Bless your hearts! You must have gone to the PGP Board to have a look. Thank you so much.
Now, just returned home (hours later). Let's see if I understood correctly how to show pix here.
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Hi northernridge.
I see you have found out how to embed images in the mesasage. That's great. HTML code is disabled on this Board, but the code will still show as text and links with "http://" at the start will still work, although they are within the code. With my Moderator hat on, I have tideid up your original links for clarity.
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Thank you, KevH. I'm going to show one more, one of the prettiest. I just want to be absolutely certain that these were indeed made by Salviati. And if someone can narrow that date down (late 19th vs. early 20th) as well, that would be really great.
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Hi NR ? I think the second one although not so intricate is probably rarer than the first .Very nice . :thup:
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Oh, that is great. I'm pretty sure I have two of them.
And definitely Salviati, right?
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Yes, both are Salviati. The dates Sheldon Barr gives for these types of bowls is 1877-1914 (Venetian Glass: Confections in Glass).
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Thank you, Anita!
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New question. (As must be clear, I am a novice in this area.) I find a raised sort of bump where I suspect the artisan detached the glass when it was finished. It's on the bottom, exact center, of each piece. When I found the first one, on the green bowl, I took it for a chip because it's sharp. But as they all have a similar, (irregular) sharp feature, I suspect it is not a chip. Does this sound right?
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They are pontil scars where the rod was used to support the glass during making. Venetian glass of this type generally do not have the scars polished out.
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I'm indeed grateful to you.
In the interest of accuracy and full disclosure, when running my finger all over the piece, inside and out, I've found some something inside the bowl that also has sharp edges, and feels like a chip. But it's inside one of the V shapes, and neither goes all the way through, nor has any sort of crack leading away from it. Could this also result from the process? (I would show it here, but imagine that would not comply with maximum of four photos rule.)
Also, the bowl wobbles slightly in the well. Would this be considered a flaw?
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It just occurred to me that this is in the shape of a bubble. So could it be one that burst? And if so, is it common, or a flaw?
(I'm getting such a rapid education here... I do hope this board will not tire of me!)
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Darn. I keep coming up with new questions. I do fear all will tire of me!
I think perhaps the second bowl would not be considered latticino decoration. Is that correct?
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Old glass is not always perfectly shaped or formed. The wobble is fine. The burst bubble is OK too; it's probably been burst for 100 years. It's hand made glass and although there would have been some QC, what was acceptable and what was not was very different from today's demands for perfection. If you intend selling these, you should point such things out but they are minor issues.
And no I don't think the second bowl is latticino
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In the interest of accuracy and full disclosure, when running my finger all over the piece, inside and out, I've found some something inside the bowl that also has sharp edges, and feels like a chip. But it's inside one of the V shapes, and neither goes all the way through, nor has any sort of crack leading away from it. Could this also result from the process? (I would show it here, but imagine that would not comply with maximum of four photos rule.)
Also, the bowl wobbles slightly in the well. Would this be considered a flaw?
You don't need fully disclosure here, though I know customers will appreciate it if you sell the bowls. No worries.
Often glass that is made with individual canes of glass have imperfections where the glass meets. I had one customer that returned a gorgeous bowl to me because it had all this "cracks that were forming inside." I couldn't figure out what he was talking about until I got the bowl back. It was where the canes were meeting! He was new to art glass.
About the wobble -- yes, it matters if the wobble is severe. It means the bowl was not finished properly.
Your second bowl is simply called aventurine ribbons or canes. It is a very desirable bowl.. unless it is the one with the wobble. Then it is only desirable.
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The first, green, one has the bigger wobble. (I have one just like it in pink, so I won't bother to show it before listing. No wobble.)
The one that is more desirable actually has a slight wobble, both the saucer and the bowl. Sigh. When agitated, the cup actually rocks slightly for a few moments, which the green one won't do. You can simply rock the bowl back and forth.
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You will find many of these are not perfect to the touch we have very sensitive fingers , dont get paranoid just remember how long ago they were made and the tools they had or didnt have and a mixing of many types of metals that cooled at different rates , lots of them rock a little , just enjoy . :thup:
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I appreciate that very much.