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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Connie on February 05, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
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Big thanks to Dee (untamedlady2000) :)
When she posted the link to the Bagley thistle jugs, i noticed some Bagley pieces in "vine and twine" mounts, like this
http://www.knottingley.org/history/bagleyglass/bagley_products16.htm
I have this "basket" which I had posted on the old board. I think someone (sorry don't remember who) said it was Zimmerman but the idea that they were made for Bagley never came up. I went back and searched for the thread and could never find it :(
Here is my frame or mount
Leaf and twine mount (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/Connie06_photos/leafbask1.jpg)
Detail of design (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r269/Connie06_photos/leafbask2.jpg)
Do you know which Bagley piece this would have been made to fit? The diameter is 4 inches and the depth of the basket is 2 1/4 inches with overall height at 6 3/4 inches.
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I've seen these on several shapes of both Bagley and Sowerby pieces (possibly others too). I do recall starting a thread about them just after the Charles & Camilla wedding, as I was intrigued by the way in which the "Fascinator" hats looked (to me) just like these metalwork items.
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Many of the plainer Bagley shapes were sold in leaf and twist metalwork (and other sorts of metalwork). It seems to have been a way of livening up pre-war designs for post-war (1950s) production, as I have yet to find a uranium piece in metalwork. Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. Off the top of my head I can't think of a piece of Bagely to fit in a handled basket, and as the metalworkers often supplied across the glass and china trades the likelihood of identifying something to go in your basket recedes. :-\ ??? I think the only thing we can be fairly confident about is that the basket was probably made in the UK and probably in the 1950s
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... Whether this was how Bagley sold them or whether a wholesaler commissioned the metalwork is a subject for debate I think. ...
Unlikely to be either; much more likely that Zimmerman bought the glass, added the leaf mounts, and sold the range as their own.
Connie — I can remember this query the first time around, and that several of us had seen both Bagley and Sowerby glass in these mounts. The ultimate leaf-mounted piece was the tulip lamp (aka cabbage lamp) of which I have seen just the one, in satin green, and only matched by the Leek Andromeda lamp as a retro classic.
Bernard C. 8)
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Connie
I have a wire frame with leaf and vine it still has a original label tired to it, also a piece of Sowerby carnival glass in a frame, The firm Abrahams took over Davidson's and had a large metal works to use on there glass. Here two photos.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4898
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4899
Tony H in NZ
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Hi Connie, I remember that thread as I have one of these "Zimmerman" baskets, with a glass inner that cannot be pinned down to anyone. The original thread which discussed these was this one... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1101.0.html and there was a later one here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4420.0.html
Hope this helps. :)
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I can't add anymore to the origin of these frames but I do have this one http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4900 which I bought on ebay a couple of years ago. I'm not convinced that the blue liner is original as it is jammed in, slightly on the 'huh ;)
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Anne — Thanks for the old links. By the way did you see my "A study of mounted glass by Zimmerman, Brama (and Leek) is a virgin field pregnant with possibilities."? I thought it was my best ever one-liner, and no-one even noticed.
Bernard C. 8)
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Tony's labelled frame interesting as it appears to be oak leaves not bog-standard leaf-shaped leaves - not one I've seen before.
Your wit is wasted on us Bernard :-*
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We did notice, Bernard, but didn't reply just to tease you. ;) I don't think it'd get past the Plain English Campaign somehow. ;D
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Thank you for all the replies and sharing the pictures of your pieces in frames.
From the responses I gather the frame alone has little value and finding a piece to fit is remote :-X
I guess it will go in the donation box then :D
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Dave (Mr Vaseline Glass) mentioned he picks up odd frames and metalwork to match up with orphaned pieces. May be worth asking if he's interested, Connie?
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Dave (Mr Vaseline Glass) mentioned he picks up odd frames and metalwork to match up with orphaned pieces. ...
:clap: Nice choice of words Anne, as a supplement to my one-liner. :clap:
He's not the only one. Most of those who buy and sell have a good collection. I have well in excess of twenty of those blue stacking fruit/veg trays full of orphans, including at least one small Zimmerman leaf mount. The trouble is that I never seem to have the right one to make up the set. Also they move around. How do I know? Well the tray I am looking for is always at the bottom of the stack.
Bernard C. 8)