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Title: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Paul S. on May 24, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
I have looked on Pamela's site, but wasn't aware of seeing this one  -  and appreciate I'm being a little lazy, but feel sure some of the girls will undoubtedly recognize the pattern.   It does glow, and is something like 11.75"/300mm long - and is, I believe, in the minority in having corner feet - most that I see have flat undersides.   It will probably go back out unless it is something special, but caught my eye in view of the very 'deco' design.   Needless to say, it is a stand alone piece, history has taken the rest.     thanks for looking.
Title: Re: id request for uranium trinket tray.
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 24, 2011, 06:44:28 PM
Unknown - shown here  :)
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30 (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30)
Mystery set no.27.
Title: Re: id request for uranium trinket tray.
Post by: Paul S. on May 24, 2011, 09:32:28 PM
very many thanks for your time and trouble Anne :)  -  think I would have given it away long before finding it here.   Probably by their nature, these things are maybe not the kind of things that you can pigeon hole by their colour or shape  -  guess the only real way is to find it in a catalogue.   I might just hang on to this one for the time being, it looks attractive sitting on a plate stand, as you can see.
Title: GTS Mystery #27 with variant candlholders, 7 piece + footed/pedestal bowls
Post by: agincourt17 on July 23, 2012, 06:52:03 PM
Trinket set in uranium green and a candlestick in the same pattern in amber.

Although the tray and the pots are somewhat nondescript, the loop-handled candlesticks are really distinctive – rather like those from the Bagley Rutland set, but with the centres missing from the ‘wing’ handles.

The candlesticks are 5.25 inches tall, and the bases are approx. 3.75 inches across.

I’ve also recently seen the candlesticks on ebay as part of a ‘set’ on ebay in pink glass, but that set had an obviously-mismatched tray and an odd assortment of pots.

Opinions and ID’s, please?



(Permission for re-use of these image on the GMB granted by ‘bazza131313’).
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Anne on July 23, 2012, 09:12:21 PM
Now there's an interesting set... I have a picture of those candlesticks in a pale pink colour with an entirely different tray and pots, Fred.... and in green with a different tray again! This is another of those puzzlers!
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: agincourt17 on July 23, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
I searched back through the ebay completed listings until I found the pink set I had seen and have the original lister's permission to use the photo, so here it is for comparison.

At least I assumed the different tray and pots were mismatched (on the basis that the green uranium set was matched, if you see what I mean?).

Curiouser and curiouser....



(Permission for re-use of this  image on the GMB granted by 'don4ever73')
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Anne on July 23, 2012, 11:28:46 PM
Yes, that's the one I'd seen too Fred. I can't recall where I found the green pic - it's from 2006 though, so not traceable now.  I also found another set of pics (from 2005!) from an eBay sale also in green (uranium) which has the same tray and footed pot as the pink set above, so I'm thinking that's the proper combination. The uranium green set has a ringholder as well.
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Jayne on July 24, 2012, 01:23:22 AM
I can also confirm that I have seen the pink version of the set in blue and uranium. I have also seen a full version with different sticks in
uranium-blue which suggests a possible match. (See 3 pics)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item19d1b08207&item=110892188167&nma=true&pt=UK_Art_Glass&rt=nc&si=ygSivxU5%252BneFv9jCTf%252B3%252B23qaaM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 24, 2012, 06:23:43 AM
That's not uranium; the glow is wrong and the daylight colour is wrong. All that glows is not uranium; a good 30% of the uranium on ebay is not uranium. That picture is taken in the dark with a big tube; if the set contained uranium you would need your sunglasses. It's manganese.
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: agincourt17 on July 24, 2012, 07:55:04 AM
I think the tray with  the pink and blue sets, and the ringholder on the blue set, may be from Anne's Mysytery Set 27.

See also previous post http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40764.msg225958.html#msg225958
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Jayne on July 24, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
Agree Mystery Set 27 Agincourt.

Christine I'm sure you're quite right but, do you mean all blue glass would photo like that under certain lights?
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 24, 2012, 10:53:08 AM
No. A lot of older glass contains manganese as a decoloriser (it negates the iron that gives the coke bottle green) and that gives a fuzzy dimmish yellowish greenish glow under a UV light. I suspect you find it in coloured glass because the batch recipe starts with the clear glass ingredients and then adds the ingredients for colour. Try your UV light on clear, pink,  amber and non-uranium green. You may need to be in the dark but you will see what I mean: some will glow, some won't.

There is blue uranium glass but that has a knock your socks off UV glow in daylight and is invariably more towards teal
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1617
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1556
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=533
Title: Re: Trinket set with distinctive loop-handle candlesticks
Post by: Anne on July 24, 2012, 11:39:43 PM
I think the tray with  the pink and blue sets, and the ringholder on the blue set, may be from Anne's Mysytery Set 27.

See also previous post http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40764.msg225958.html#msg225958

Agreed, mystery 27 it is. :)  Am still puzzling over the candlesticks...  meanwhile I now have the green tray linked above, thanks to Paul S's kindness & Christine's OH's assistance with delivering it.  8)
Title: GTS Mystery #27 with variant candlholders, 7 piece + footed/pedestal bowls
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 28, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
Any ideas on who made this 7 piece trinket set please?  An identical tray is seen in amber and green - Mystery Set 27 glasstrinketsets.com
I'm guessing it might possibly be Czech...
Many thanks  ;D
Title: Re: 7 piece trinket set - footed/pedestal bowls
Post by: Simba on September 28, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
Sorry I have no idea on the maker but I have one of the trinkets pots also in blue and its nice to see the rest of the set. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: 7 piece trinket set - footed/pedestal bowls
Post by: agincourt17 on November 04, 2012, 07:52:29 PM
Another GTS Mystery set 27 in blue but with more conventional ‘stick’ candleholders.

Then another GTS Mystery set 27 in an unusual dusky pink, also with the conventional ‘stick’ candlesticks.

The loop-handle candleholders have been seen in other (quite different ) sets, and there is already a topic thread about their occurrence at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48615.msg274021.html#msg274021 Mod: topics merged, new link here:  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40764.msg274021.html#msg274021 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40764.msg274021.html#msg274021)
and [my] post #3  (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40764.msg274053.html#msg274053) on that thread also has a photo showing, surprise!, the loop-handled candleholders with the GTS Mystery set 27 tray and lidded pots just as in Anne E.B.’s initial post in this topic.

Actually, I've only just noticed that the conventional 'stick' candleholders in these blue and pink sets are different - the bases differ in shape, and the pink set candleholders have a wax catcher plate below the cup on the sconce that is absent in candleholders in the blue set

At least we now know that the GTS Mystery 27 sets come in amber, uranium green, and two shades of pink, and that they can occur with either conventional stick candleholders [perhaps in a variety of different shapes] or loop-handle candleholders, but I don’t think that we are any further on with an attribution whatever the shape of the candleholders.


(Permission for re-use of the images of the blue set on GMB by fishdam09, and of the dusky pink set by bazza131313).
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27 with variant candlholders, 7 piece + footed/pedestal bowls
Post by: Jayne on October 15, 2017, 12:14:21 AM
Hi Fred, the 'conventional' candlesticks are a marriage, it's the looped candlesticks that belong to the set.

I also believe this is a Czech set but no concrete proof as yet. Sets seen in Pink Amber Blue Green and Clear.

Another thread on the set here for merging Mods.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48615.0.html Mod: topic merged into this one
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Paul S. on October 15, 2017, 07:19:11 AM
when I click on your link Jayne, the screen tells me the destination/topic is either missing or off limits to me?
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Jayne on October 15, 2017, 04:24:44 PM
when I click on your link Jayne, the screen tells me the destination/topic is either missing or off limits to me?

Paul I think the thread has been merged now. :)

Unknown - shown here  :)
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30 (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30)
Mystery set no.27.

Anne there is one incorrect green ring holder image in that link from the Mystery cut and stipple set.

Cut and Stipple set discussed here

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55321.0.html

And GTS link here:

http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=76
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Paul S. on October 15, 2017, 04:33:30 PM
thanks Jayne.
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Anne on October 15, 2017, 05:28:36 PM
Thanks Jayne, I spotted that last night and forgot to go back and sort it - I've moved it out now. I've also relocated a couple of other images - one of which was a m/s #27 candlestick shown with other pieces (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1088) in the m/s #163 album (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=168) - the colour looks like a spot on match, so that might give us another clue as to who made both sets if we can find a catalogue entry for either. 

Also, m/s #027 (http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30) has three different candlestick styles shown with other pieces, so perhaps these were (as the late Bernard Cavalot was wont to say) mix and match sets depending on what the retailer wanted to offer for sale?

PS sorry I forgot to mark the dead link above as merged, Paul.  :-[
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Paul S. on October 15, 2017, 07:45:11 PM
thanks for the explanation Anne :)
Title: Re: GTS Mystery #27
Post by: Jayne on October 16, 2017, 01:06:31 AM
Another GTS Mystery set 27 in blue but with more conventional ‘stick’ candleholders.


Thanks Anne, well done sorting the images etc. You could be completely correct about the mix and match style of making up sets in this case however; what I would say about Fred's post regarding the conventional candlesticks is firstly they are 2 different types of candlestick, secondly I believe I recognise the candlesticks from 2 other Mystery sets.

Regarding the pink set in Fred's post the sticks appear to be well known as part of the podium shaped finial set (see link below).

Regarding the blue set in Fred's post, I believe the sticks in the set belong to the set in the second link below, they match very well stylistically. (I also believe this set could be another Junior Miss type set - the pots are tiny, I have some at home)

Thirdly I know from experience that the eBay seller (whose permission Fred obtained for the pink set images) sometimes matches trinket items colour wise and makes trinket set marriages, and lastly that I have seen the set with the looped sticks at least 10 times in all colours and clear.

Interestingly the tray in your Mystery set 163 appears to be the same tray as in the possible Junior Miss Set, so yes many of the pieces could be from the same maker, but regarding this one http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1088 I also suggest the stick has been randomly added in a marriage.


The Pink set sticks : Podium finial Set
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,50039.0.html

The Blue set Sticks: Another possible Junior Miss style Set
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35422.0.html