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Title: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: rocco on September 11, 2011, 12:58:02 PM

Any idea who may have made this nice vase?

Organic 1950s shape with pulled rim, threads of white glass in clear glass (these are inside the glass, but can be felt from the outside).
Ground and polished pontil, height appr. 20 cm.

Has a silver and blue Murnano label to the base with a rooster(?) and the letters "AR".

Thanks!
Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: Max on September 11, 2011, 02:02:48 PM

This seems to be the most information we have on that label at least:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1910

You can always search for Murano labels in Anne's GlassGallery: 101 Murano Labels - http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=102&page=1

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: rocco on September 11, 2011, 02:37:50 PM

Thanks a lot, Max!

I had already looked through the label section of the glassgallery site, and seen this label. The info there didn't help much further :)
So I was hoping that either the letters "AR" on the label, or the technique of the vase (is there some Murano glassmaking term for it?) might help identifying a maker.

Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: Max on September 11, 2011, 03:29:38 PM

Interesting then.  Now we have AS, AF and AR found on that same label.   :huh:

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: kane_u_pain on September 17, 2011, 04:59:47 AM

Interestingly the shape and design is very similar to some Scandi pieces...need to pull out some books...a very interesting label I agree... :spls:

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: Ivo on September 17, 2011, 06:05:47 AM

Johansfors 1940_1950 design Sixten Wennerstrand - I don' t think the label shold be there...

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: rocco on September 19, 2011, 11:44:52 AM

Wow, Ivo, thank you so much!! -- I am stunned (as usual :))

My first misplaced label... (the position at the base seemed a little odd, though)
And this time I was so sure to have put my request in the right sub-forum ;D -- could some kind mod move this thread to the Scandi board, please?

Internet search for Sixten Wennerstrand showed several almost identical pieces (although here (http://porslinsbloggen.blogspot.com/2010/07/antikmassa-i-nora-del-3.html) is one that seems to have a Bengt Orup signature)

Anyway, a very nice vase (and being Scandi it fits much better in my collection)

Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape Murano vase with white threading, labeled
Post by: Ivo on September 19, 2011, 03:28:59 PM

I think Swedish is better valued than Italian from the same period - and it is better in character. I have an identical one.

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: rocco on September 19, 2011, 09:20:20 PM

Thanks, Ivo!
Obviously I liked it a lot, as I don't buy generic Murano usually (well, it was quite cheap too, I have to admit).
And thanks mods for moving the thread!

Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: kane_u_pain on September 20, 2011, 09:20:44 AM

Thought it was Scandi...i would rip the label off...GRRR...

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: rosieposie on September 20, 2011, 10:37:54 AM

This has been a particularly interesting thread Rocco, as it supports my theory that Labels only ever support an attribution and are not an attribution in themselves. How easy it is for a seller to put a label on a piece of glass to try to 'Hype' up the value!!
I mentioned this recently in a different thread:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=30482.new;topicseen#new


Hi Mike,  one word of caution.....a label NEVER PROVES the authenticity of an item. 
They can be removed and stuck on anything.
Unless there is an irrefutable signature, then a label only serves the purpose of confirming an attribution.

So, Look at the item.....does it look right?
Look at the signature.....does it look authentic?
Look at the label.....does it support either one or both of the above.

I bought a lovely Wedgwood Lilliput Squirrel, sold as a Langham one......I bought it because I knew from the shape that it was Wedgwood.  When it arrived,  it had a Langham Glass House sticker on the base.....covering an acid etched Wedgwood England mark!!!!
The Wedgwood squirrel has a fatter tail than the Langham ones, and this is where looking at hundreds of pieces helps you to 'know' when something doesn't look 'right'.

I would rip the label off as well....it is a lovely piece of glass,  but then I am biased as I love Scandi glass too!!

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: rocco on September 20, 2011, 10:43:54 AM

Thanks Kane for your input -- you were perfectly right with your Scandi assumption! :hiclp:

I think I will leave the label where it is, just to remind me not to be too trustful when it comes to labels and marks...
(although I was lucky, and the vase turned out to be of more interesting origin than the label suggested :))

Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: KevinH on September 20, 2011, 06:38:14 PM

If you leave the label on, then how will you ensure that a possible future owner knows the correct attribution?

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: rocco on September 21, 2011, 09:38:03 AM

Thanks for your thoughts, Rosie and Kevin!

If the majority votes for removing I will do so. :)
But I am keeping the vase anyway, so the wrong label could not do much harm...

And if I ever should sell it, it would be quite stupid to leave the label where it is, regarding what Ivo stated ;D:

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I think Swedish is better valued than Italian from the same period - and it is better in character.

Michael

Title: Re: Small 1950s shape vase, white threading, labeled. ID = Johansfors, wrong label
Post by: Frank on October 07, 2011, 03:50:02 PM

Label was probably printed in China anyway. Vote - Off!