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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: ryl2468 on August 19, 2010, 05:01:32 AM
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Hi there,I hope everyone is well.Could someone please confirm that this vase is by frantisek Vizner.If so does it have a generic name.For example waisted vase or lens vase.Also what is the correct colour description.Lilac or Amethyst.The dimensions are approx 21cm high, 10cm wide at widest point,7cm at narrowest point and the top lip is about 1.5cm thick.The weight is approx 1354 grammes.Do these vases come in different sizes and shapes. Are these vases more common than the lens and waisted vases.Thanks in advance.
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Yes it is Vizner, no it doesn't have a generic name that I am aware of. I would say the colour is Amethyst.
Tapered, waisted form with quadrant ribs. Pattern number 13139 Rudolfova Hut 1962.
Ref: Sklo Union, Art Before Industry - Marcus Newhall
Also I am insanely jealous! Gorgeous piece of glass :mrgreen:
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Hi there Nemmie.Thanks very much for your response.How collectible would this design be in comparison to the lens and waisted vases.Also do they come in different colours and sizes.
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Hi there Nemmie.Thanks very much for your response.How collectible would this design be in comparison to the lens and waisted vases.Also do they come in different colours and sizes.
Edit:
It was made in two sizes 180mm and 210mm and was exhibited in 1972 at CLS, Gottwaldov
If by collectable you mean value then this would have a higher value to collectors as it is considerably more scarce than lens or waisted vases is in one of the most desirable colourways (at least over here) and is by Vizner (a lot of people seem to specialise in collecting his designs).
I have no idea what the market in Australia is like though and can only speak for myself really and I would certainly love to own it. :)
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Thanks Nemmie.Here in Australia we obviously don't have as many educated buyers in comparison to Europe.But in saying that people are starting to catch on.I usually collect murano glass,but I have started leaning towards some of the older czech pieces.I prefer the more abstract designs.Are you saying that my vase is the 292 version.
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I misread the information initially (not actually awake yet!). Both sizes have the same catalogue number 13139. The 292 relates to a exhibition they were shown at in 1972.
One day I will find one of these over here along with two other pieces of Vizner and then I can die happy. They seem to turn up in the US and Australia more than they do here perhaps because they are less collected.
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I'm almost positive that I have seen this exact same piece at a different market which is about a two drive from home.I think they were asking for approx $90 -$100 aus.Maybe you could fly over here and buy it.
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I'm almost positive that I have seen this exact same piece at a different market which is about a two drive from home.I think they were asking for approx $90 -$100 aus.Maybe you could fly over here and buy it.
It's times like this that I wish I had perfected my teleportation device. :)
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I may drive there this weekend to see if it is still there.Its funny because that vase has been there more than a year.I bet if I drive there it will me gone.
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Seems to me that I am first "Viznerologist" worldwide :-)
More about Frantisek you can find here:
http://www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo/20-FRANTISEK-VIZNER
texts are in Czech but you can take a look to the photoes and use the lings that will show more pictures and also two videos with Frantisek Vizner.
When you will take a look almost to bottom of page you can see 2 black&white pictures from Frantisek Vizner diploma (state examination) works. Your vase is also there in plaster model - it means that design of it made Frantisek as a student of VSUP in 1962 (technical drawing for mould fabrication for this vase is dated 19/04/1962.
This piece was also presented at last Frantisek Vizner exhibition in Bruntal, see
http://picasaweb.google.cz/Jindra8526/FrantisekViznerSklo19592010#5461152838784536130
and I am sure that will be presented at next exhibition in Novy Bor in November-December this year.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Fascinating as always Jindrich, thanks for sharing. I expect you have lots of these vases as well. :)
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Those at Vizner's exhibiton are from my collection :-)
Frantisek Vizner has only very few pieces from his pressed and Skrdlovice designs. So exhibition is prepared from my and Maxim Velcovsky's collections, Vizner supplies his cut glass pieces.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Those at Vizner's exhibiton are from my collection :-)
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
How wonderful! (and Jindrich, you are a very lucky man to have such a beautiful collection :))
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Thank you very much Jindrich for sharing your knowledge with us all.Collecting glass becomes more and more enjoyable particularly when you learn about the history of glass designers such as Vizner.Jindrich do you know how different colours were used for this design.Secondly are these pieces rare.Thanks very much.
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I think $90-$100 would be a good price if you are looking at keeping the piece for a while before resale and you can find the right buyer.
But as always with glass it is hard tell especially with the Australian market as it is mainly an 'uncultured' lot in that respect.
I don't know much about Czech glass but I paid 2/3 of that price for my Rosice 1272 pieces each and I assumed that would be market value here. Thank God i won!!!
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Vizner's 13139 is one of my absolute favourite designs, for some reason! I love the smoothness of the lines, and what the thick glass does to the colour.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/th_Vizner13139s.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/Vizner13139s.jpg)
Firstly: I can't say this would be a rarity since I've seen so many and only purchased some of them but surely it seems to be more scarce in some corners of the globe than others. I remember having learned from Marcus N:s book that the major part of the Sklo union production was exported so it is just a matter of which designs and where. This supposedly applies to colours too.
Secondly: global pricing is therefore hard too. I wouldn't pay 90 AUD ! :Rather max 20.... ::)
Speaking of colours, and as our Viznerologist is available, :) I have been wondering the information found on this design. It seems it was produced in Rudolfova but still in the (Marcus N.) sklounion.com site Hermanova is mentioned. Is this old and later corrected information or would this design have been produced in both?
In the mentioned book colours used in these different factories are listed and I am somewhat puzzled; Amber is not mentioned for Rudolfova for example, neither turquoise. (as they are for Hermanova)
Jindrich, would you be able to clarify this aspect for us? Different colours having been produced, in which factory(ies) and I suppose timewise up to the 90´s ? Thank you, in advance. :rah:
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Just to add. If I found it for a $A20 in the Aussie market...it would be quickly resold. The Australian market is a lot different compared to the UK, EU and US.
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This piece has been originaly manufactured in Rudolfova hut, see the original technical drawing -"RH" means Rudolfova hut, pattern number 13139 is there and also the number of "VR 558" - VR = Vytvarna rada (Art comitee) that had agreed this design for manufacturing.
I have no information about fabrication of this piece in Hermanova hut, but transfering moulds in between VHJ Obalove sklo (later Sklo Union) was quite common, so it could be manufactured also in Hermanova.
http://picasaweb.google.cz/Jindra8526/FrantiisekViznerRudolfovaHut13139200?authkey=Gv1sRgCM_g2-3dltiwUg#
Colours is special issue.
Designer had no influence on manufactured colours, generaly he always designed the piece in clear. Sklo Union had set of standardised colours in manufacturing programme but we can find much more other colour tones becouse of technology used. I suppose that nobody is able to specify in what colours was each pattern manufactured, Vizner personaly also does not know it. Therefore I have made the catalogue of Vizner's pressed glass pieces in black and white.
This vase was produced only in old Czechoslovakia, not after 1990 in Czech republic. This shape is not rare, it was very popular and common in 60ties here. Unfortunately, becouse vases had been widely used, the most pieces you can find here are damaged or as minimum have some awfull water marks.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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although I thanked in advance, I have to say it again: Thank you, Jindrich! So very interesting ! :rah:
I thought I'd also say that in addition to the colours seen in my picture I have seen pictures of a steel gray one and a dark green as well as a transparent clear one in this design but no more so far.
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Wish they were common here, I can't find one for love nor money. Don't seem to come up on Ebay either.
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I've also yet to see one here although I haven't given up hope... :)