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Title: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on February 18, 2010, 06:16:40 PM
Hi All,

Hoping that someone can throw some light on this one. Just under 16cm in height, relatively heavy, has a broken pontil mark to the base.

My concern is that the base has a kind of frosted look to it, however the design is very reminiscent of some British studio glass.

Pictures attached, all thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: keith on February 18, 2010, 09:45:34 PM
Interesting piece,the shape looks like a Sam Herman vase(only looks like not suggesting it is)I have a picture of,with a touch of Mdina,Keith.
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on February 18, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
Hi Keith,

That's what attracted me to it to start with, similar to some of Sam and AA's work, design wise, however, the colors also bear a resemblance to Maltese glass. I do like the design and weight, however, my thoughts keep coming back to the base and pontil mark.

Sure I'll find out soon! - thanks for your thoughts.

Cheers,
Greg

 
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on February 18, 2010, 11:32:29 PM
no ideas I'm afraid, but to me  it looks like a torso and is quite beautiful  :mrgreen:  I also I have a Norman Stuart Clarke piece with a base that looks like that (no broken pontil though, just the opaque look of it) and also a Will Shakspeare vase that has a similar frosted/opaque look to the base.  That's not to say I could have a view on whether or not it might be either of these as my knowledge is just not good enough.  But they don't have highly polished bases so it might be studio as you suggested maybe?

m
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: johnphilip on February 19, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
Yes it does look like Sam Herman and colourwise also, sometimes his signature is just a little way up the side i know someone  that had one several years and didnt know it was signed the base looks right also . Mind you a lot of his students copy his style including Wayne D Filan . Adam Aaronson may have an idea ?
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on February 19, 2010, 10:08:16 AM
Thanks Keith and M for your thoughts, certainly an interesting piece of glass. I have a few signed Sam Herman pieces although I have looked all over the piece in question and cant see a signature anywhere. Possibly it was by one of his students as you suggest. I'm sure AA would shed some light on this in an instant! - Thanks again for all your thoughts.

Greg
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 19, 2010, 10:33:10 AM
I've got 3 signed Sam Herman pieces, but the bases are quite different, not polished or ground, although I have an unmarked piece I believe to be from his time at Val St Lambert, which has a base like this.
I'm sure Adam A would be able to ask Sam himself.
I'd agree, though, it has the look of Maltese glass too, if so, most likely Mtarfa.
Sorry not to be of more help. ::)
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on February 19, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
Tenuous link I know, but I am trying to learn something so forgive what may seem to be a very novice question  :)
On page 420 of 20th Century British Glass, there is a vase on the very left hand side - plate 877 -, that seems to have similar trailing.  It is described as 'White vase with brown trailing, Isle of Wight, 1980's onwards height 6 1/2 in.'  Shape wise it is nothing like this and I do recognise that IoW glass has the flame pontil mark but..... there seemed to be a similarity in markings to me - if anyone has the book, am I completely off base here?
m
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 19, 2010, 11:01:39 AM
That's a piece of Mdina, Earthtones (in spiral) pattern. (It wasn't you who was slightly off-base here!)
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on February 19, 2010, 11:26:10 AM
oh good  :)  Thanks Sue.
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on February 24, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
just bumping this one up, still trying to pin point. thanks greg :-\
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 24, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
No help to you, Greg, but I should say to flyingfree that the flame logo on the blob of glass put on the pontil scar of IoWSG was only used from late '73 until '78.
(p,134 of Mark Hill's fabby book)
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on February 24, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
Thanks for that Sue.  I need to do some more reading up but as yet have no Isle of Wight glass - still trying to get to grips with Mdina  ;D
m
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 24, 2010, 05:03:54 PM
 ;D
as somebody else has said.... "So much glass.... so little time." Just enjoy it!
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on March 02, 2010, 04:01:29 PM
Still hoping to find out more about this piece, still thinking its a studio piece, hoping AA or Mark Hill might be able to throw some light on it..?

Thanks, Greg
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: johnphilip on March 02, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
So we have established it is not Mdina Earthtones have we ? ::)
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on March 02, 2010, 06:34:01 PM
Hi John,
Think the colors are slightly different to Mdina Earthtones, more of a golden metallic hue to it. The spiral pattern has a slightly raised feel to it around the edge as if its been applied separately, almost like trailing.  Definitely no its not Gozo glass (if that helps!), i did email Mdina glass, although as yet I havent heard back. Hopefully time will tell!

Thanks, Greg :thup:

Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on March 07, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
Definitely not Mdina, heard back from one of the Said's. The search goes on....
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Otis Orlando on March 08, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
Hi GBarfoot.  I certainly do like that.  When I first looked at it, it reminded me of an item I posted some time ago. I have attached pics. but bare in mine that mine is only a perfume bottle.   It was mainly to do with the shape, pontil and colour pattern design. It may have nothing to do with your studio Glass but hopefully will assist you in your search.   :thup:
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on March 30, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
 A couple more to maybe investigate?

http://www.marinehouseatbeer.co.uk/catalog/item.php?itemid=7844
The link is to a Siddy Langley vase. Similar :-\  ?  I thought her work would be signed though but just a possibility perhaps? 

The other one I found was a vase by Louis Leloup which sold on Ebay a couple of days ago.  Also signed but had vague similarities in decor. item no 260572834998

m
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on March 31, 2010, 10:13:03 AM
Thanks M, for the details, there are some similarities in terms of the pattern. I had put this piece to one side for the time being. Still have many concerns with the base with this one. The vast majority of studio pieces I have seen of a similar nature have clear cased bases and more often than not are signed. Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards more negatives than positives with this one, anyhow, I live in hope!

Thanks again for your thoughts, much appreciated.

Cheers,
Greg
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on September 23, 2012, 09:41:27 AM
Greg did you find out any more about this vase?
m
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: Greg. on September 23, 2012, 09:36:44 PM
Hi M, nothing concrete, however, I did manage to show it to a few people in the flesh a year or so ago and the general consensus was leaning towards possibly Chinese, largely based on the base finish/treatment.
Title: Re: Studio Glass ID Required
Post by: flying free on September 23, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
Can you get some better pictures of it at all?  One against a background where  the decor in the glass can be seen clearly and maybe a close up shot as well as a clear non blurry shot of the base?  I've been keeping an eye out for this vase and from your pictures the base looks as though it could be a studio piece i.e. smoothly ground base finish...but that might be because I can't see it clearly.
If you get time I would love to see more detail of it.
thanks
m