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Title: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 09, 2007, 11:06:22 AM
Apart from collecting actual paperweights, I also collect pontil marks - even if I don't buy the paperweight to go with it. Recently there were two quite distinctive marks on ebay:

(http://www.seelentags.de/pw/stamp-ships.jpg) 2 ships on water (http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170094597379)

(http://www.seelentags.de/pw/stamp-RED.jpg) letters RED within silhouette of a key (http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130093569096)

Click on legends to see the ebay auction.

Can anyone attribute these stamps? Thanks and best regards - Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
Wolf, would you like a nice high res of my three rabbits aka three lions of Guernsey?

Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 09, 2007, 01:37:04 PM
Hi Lynne,

thank you for the offer! The one I copied from the internet is 1000 x 900 pixel - so if you have an even larger one, this would be nice. Best send it by email - my address is wolf at seelentags dot de.

BTW - which way round should it be looked at - animals in the upper or the lower row? And has the lettering been finally deciphered?

Best regards  -  Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Sue C on April 09, 2007, 02:17:04 PM
Hi Wolf, dont know if this will help but there is a Redkey in America, Indiana.
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 09, 2007, 03:32:59 PM
Hi Wolf, dont know if this will help but there is a Redkey in America, Indiana.

And there is even a paperweight maker living there - Jim Davis - but at least in 1982 he used a different pontil mark:
http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1120389.html#image2 (http://www.goantiques.com/scripts/images,id,1120389.html#image2)

Could be him in another year - but even if not, I just added another pontil mark to my collection ;-).

Thanks and best regards  -  Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: karelm on April 09, 2007, 03:38:02 PM
Hi WOlf,
The ships ring a bell as a porcelin mark.  Just a faint ring.  Maybe have a look at some of the porcelin sites.
Kind regards,
PS now that I have written this something tells me that it is in fact three ships that is a porcelin mark :-[
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
Hi Lynne,

thank you for the offer! The one I copied from the internet is 1000 x 900 pixel - so if you have an even larger one, this would be nice. Best send it by email - my address is wolf at seelentags dot de.

BTW - which way round should it be looked at - animals in the upper or the lower row? And has the lettering been finally deciphered?

Best regards  -  Wolf

On its way as we speak..

You have to turn it round 90 degrees, and then suddenly, in a DOH! moment, the shield and three lions spring into view...

DOH!!!


Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: daveweight on April 10, 2007, 01:07:46 PM
I have a spider lily weight with an unusual pontil BPK for the Big Pine Key Glassworks, it is going on ebay soon I think. I also have a Jennings Bonnell frit weight with his JB Pontil mark, various St Clair, Joe Bob & Maude, then I have weights with Gibson and Prestige and Gentile impressed pontils.
Liskeard Glass did an impressed LG Pontil but they also made weights for St Tudy paperweight centre and I have one with ST 1976 impressed but when this moved to Yelverton they made more and I have one with Y1981 in the base
Hope this helps - although you probably know most of it I guess
Dave
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 10, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
Hope this helps - although you probably know most of it I guess.
Well .. I've started my collection fairly recently - whilst I have seen most of the marks mentioned, I only have actual pictures of a few:
Gentile 1976 (bell)
Gentile 1977 (ship)
Gentile 1978 (eagle)
Gentile 1979 (star)
Gentile since 1980 (glassblower)
Gentile 2000 (numerals)
Liskeard (LG)
Prestige (2004)
St.Clair Joe
... plus a few more you didn't list as in your posession.
Any addition to my collection (for personal use only) would be greatly appreciated!
Best regards - Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on April 10, 2007, 07:47:27 PM
I have three weights by Woods. I'll send you a pic of one of their pontil marks if you like. I don't know anything about them other than they seem to have made paperweights for the US bicentennial.
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 10, 2007, 09:01:05 PM
That would be appreciated, glasstrufflehunter - you find my mail address in the left hand column of my postings.
Thanks and best regards  -  Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on April 11, 2007, 01:01:13 AM
Wuff. Your Email is hidden to me.
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: alpha on April 11, 2007, 01:08:31 AM
The "RED in the key" is for Max Miller.

The sailing ship is for Mayflower Glass.

Both from USA.

When my signature cane book comes out on cd this June it will have a lisitng of over 125 different pontil stamps. Book itself is a researcher's reference book and is up to 850 pages.
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 11, 2007, 04:40:03 PM
Wuff. Your Email is hidden to me.

The little envelope next to the little man?

Anyway - it is wolf dot seelentag at swissonline dot ch
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Wuff on April 11, 2007, 04:43:02 PM
The "RED in the key" is for Max Miller.
The sailing ship is for Mayflower Glass.

Thank you very much for the info!

When my signature cane book comes out on cd this June ...

I'm sure you'll let us know when and how it'll be available ;-).

Best regards - Wolf
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Sue C on April 11, 2007, 05:02:01 PM
there is a Mayflower glass co just outside Newcastle? i thought the name sounded familiar, but they make those glass ships in bottle's and angels, dont know if they make paperweights.
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: karelm on April 11, 2007, 05:30:32 PM
"snip"When my signature cane book comes out on cd this June "snip"
Please email me with details" karelm at  myrealbox d ot com" I would love to know the details.
Kind regards
Title: Mayflower Glass
Post by: Wuff on April 11, 2007, 05:57:34 PM
there is a Mayflower glass co just outside Newcastle? i thought the name sounded familiar, but they make those glass ships in bottle's and angels, dont know if they make paperweights.

That's the one I've "googled" as well - but they don't mention paperweights on their web page, nor are they in the US.

I've found a Mayflower Glass in Brewster MA - but they seem to be doing industrial glass.

So - Andrew - could you give us more directions on the company using the two ships as pontil mark, please?
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: glasstrufflehunter on April 11, 2007, 07:34:42 PM
Thanks Wuff. You must have your email set to 'hidden' on your account because I get no envelope next to the little man in your posts. I see it in other peoples but not yours.

I'm sending the picture out to you right now.  :)
Title: Re: Unknown pontil marks
Post by: Frank on April 12, 2007, 10:06:05 AM
Wolf in your profile you have a tick against - Hide email address from public? Untick that and other members can see you envelope, currently only moderators can see it. You are safe from Spam harvesters.