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Title: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 11, 2007, 05:41:51 PM
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5016 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5016)

Actually, we thought we were before, owing to the mendacity of an e-bay seller, who told me (after I had handed over the dosh) that he was sure the glasses he had just sold me were AHW Ravenhead Gaytime because they were boxed, but the box was damaged so he threw it away...  :-\ The glasses were a very similar shape and had a gold rim, but were 3cm smaller than the genuine article and had a slightly less chunky base.

Have been adding new designs to my AHW folder on the Glass Queries gallery,so do have a look if you're interested. As well as more screen-printed tumblers, I've also added pics of a book cover design by AHW which I think really shows his origins in textile design.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 11, 2007, 11:24:21 PM
Well done, Heidi - another one bites the dust!
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 12, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
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The glasses were a very similar shape and had a glass rim

I meant, of course, a gold rim.

How do you go back and edit a post? I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious...  :-[
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 12, 2007, 09:55:28 AM
Ah, there's just an hour limit on the ability for members to change postings. However, I have altered it so it glows in the dark now  ;D
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 12, 2007, 10:05:38 AM
Thanks, David...  :D
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 12, 2007, 11:27:32 AM
Heidi,

I recently bought six of these.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5051

Straight sided, 5.5" tall, 2.25" diameter  Sadly, no box.

Haven't seen this design anywhere. Greyish roses with white highlighting, plus a gold rim.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Chris
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 12, 2007, 11:34:02 AM
I don't think these are AHW or Ravenhead, but Heidi should know better.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 12, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
Hi, Chris. Interesting...  :-\

The size and shape are exactly right for Sherdley/ Ravenhead slim jims. I've never seen any with a gold rim before, and the books imply that this feature was unique to the top-of-the-range gaytime shape - but that's not to say they don't exist.

The other question mark I have is the flower motif - most of the flower designs I've seen are quite stylised, whereas this looks more naturalistic, and in general the Sherdley/ Ravenhead designs tend to cover the whole glass. But I'm still quite new to collecting these glasses and there is quite a lot of stylistic variation over the 16-18 years they were produced, so I'm still constantly being surprised...
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 12, 2007, 12:39:32 PM
It's possible Sherdley/Ravenhead supplied these glasses to a company who customised them to suit, or they were personalised for a distributor. Chance sourced their glasses from Nazeing and then Dema at some stage, but whether United Bottle permitted this practice  I have no idea.

Having said that, I'm still not familiar with the designs by Annette Meech and John Clappison!  :-[
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Pip on February 12, 2007, 08:49:47 PM
Hiya Heidi, I was watching those Gaytime glasses as well ... really nice, I'm glad you got them.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 12, 2007, 09:02:46 PM
Thanks, Pip. As you can see from the pic, Loulie is delighted with them. (And I'm pretty pleased as well...  :D :D :D)

You could be right, David, about selling glasses on to other manufacturers - something to watch out for, I guess.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 13, 2007, 03:33:09 PM
This is getting a bit off topic, but I just bought 6 of these for a quid off a flea market stall.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5083

This shape isn't on David's web site, so they may be of interest for that reason.

However, the Calypto transfer has the same off-white colour and feel as the roses on the slimjims mentioned earlier.  I guess it's back to the question of who produced the transfers for Chance and others.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Anne on February 13, 2007, 09:08:43 PM
Chris, your sherries are different to my sherries...  :o
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-998
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 13, 2007, 10:20:12 PM
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yours are the shape on the Chance website.  Mine are angular, no gold rims, and the foot is moulded with 8 segments.

I prefer yours, actually  :-X
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 13, 2007, 10:25:48 PM
Actually Chris, I prefer yours as they are significantly different to the normal Copita sherry glass to make me excited and worried at the same time! Can you mail me a hi-res. photo for use in the book? Much appreciated if you can :)

I'll ask Stephen to drop in and give his opinion. This may not be the Nazeing one, but possibly Dema.

Stop the press! :o
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 14, 2007, 10:59:37 AM
Hi David,

Sure.  This evening I'll try and rig up a proper photo for you, no problem at all... other than the quality of my camera!

BTW, I distinctly remember my aunt having these same Calypto sherry glasses back in the 1970s.  It's probably not relevant, but the family lived in St Helens and her father (my maternal grandfather) was a Pilkington employee.

She's on my list of people to call, so I'll see if she remembers where they came from!
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 14, 2007, 12:18:00 PM
Thanks Chris. Standard of photography looks fine! 8)

I do know that Chance, and then Fiesta Glass, were supplying Calypto right up until about 2000, for Pilkingtons to sell through their own shop.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 14, 2007, 12:31:06 PM
Too late, done that bit...
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 14, 2007, 01:00:43 PM
I'm breaking out the tyre-levers... ;D
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 14, 2007, 02:59:56 PM
Further to the slimjims with roses of 2 days ago, this morning I found this lonely chubby/chunky?? tumbler with the same pattern in an auction box.  I didn't buy it, just took the photo. It's about 5" tall.

Don't know whether that clarifies or confuses the issue...

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5119
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 14, 2007, 03:30:28 PM
Confuses I think! :D But perhaps Heidi can tell - looks Chubby to me.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 14, 2007, 08:12:03 PM
Confirms my doubts about the slim jims, I think...

Definitely not a chubbie or a chunkie - about 1/2" too tall, too slender for a chubbie, wrong shape for a chunkie, and base too thick for either. In other words, just not chubby or chunky enough...  :) For comparison, here are a couple of examples:

chubbies: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3995 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3995)
chunkies: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4009 (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4009)

One other thing that occurred to me re-reading this thread is that you mentioned transfers on the slim jims, whereas the Sherdley/ Ravenhead tumblers are screen-printed - if you look carefully at the enamel, you can sometimes see the weave of the fabric and sometimes also smudges or different colour stages not lining up properly. (Thanks to David for pointing this out to me when I first started researching them!)

So, all in all, I think we're probably looking at another manufacturer and/or distributor.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 15, 2007, 12:02:30 AM
Sorry Heidi, the "transfers" remark was my iggerance speaking.  The roses are definitely proud of the surface and seem to be enamel (grey with white highlights).

I note what you say about the size.  The 5" was a guess on my part, using my mobile phone as a ruler, then measuring it up afterwards, but I don't think I'd be more than 1/4" out with my guesstimate.  Ho hum.

Ah well, that at least rules out something!

Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: David E on February 15, 2007, 09:17:36 AM
These are probably a water-slide transfer, if two, or more, colours is used together. Silk-screens with more than one colour have to be overlaid and this is normally more obvious.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 15, 2007, 11:51:34 AM
OK, I took a strong light and a magnifying glass to them.
David's quite right.  They're transfers.
Title: Re: we are a Gaytime owner...
Post by: Heidimin on February 15, 2007, 07:03:21 PM
Interesting, though, if Sherdley/ Ravenhead were selling blank slim jims for decoration by other companies. I'll let you know if I ever come up with any collateral...