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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: Doris on October 01, 2005, 09:17:27 PM

Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!! = Skrufs - design by Lars Hellsten
Post by: Doris on October 01, 2005, 09:17:27 PM
Picked this up today  at my local  RSPCA  quarterley car boot, amongst other interesting items, but this one made me laugh because to me it looks like a face.
A sturdy piece of glass no doubt about that weighs a ton(well almost) but wondered what  fellow glassies thought about it.

http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg

Thanks Doris


Title: Re: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Anne E.B. on October 01, 2005, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: "Doris"
Picked this up today  at my local  RSPCA  quarterley car boot, amongst other interesting items, but this one made me laugh because to me it looks like a face.
A sturdy piece of glass no doubt about that weighs a ton(well almost) but wondered what  fellow glassies thought about it.

http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg!



It looks Scandinavian - possibly Finnish.  I have seen something similar. Will try to locate and get back, but I'm sure in the meantime someone more knowledgeable will know and will respond.  :P  

Regards - Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: David555 on October 02, 2005, 09:32:21 PM
REf original item http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg

It's by Swedish company Skrufs - design by Lars Hellsten

I don't know the pattern name but it was put to good use on bottles and vases and bowls as well as ashtrays and classed as 'Pop Baroque'

See Miller's slim collector's guides - 'Glass of 50s & 60s' by N Benson pp50

Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: David555 on October 02, 2005, 09:37:26 PM
:arrow:

Some good glass ID websites

http://www.gods.nu/glass.htm

http://www.ddoty.com/aboutcarnival.html

http://www.freeformsusa.com/links.htm

http://www.blenkocollectors.com/blenkodesigners.htm

http://sherril2.user.msu.edu/blenko/default.htm

http://www.barovier.com/s_halloffame/hall_archive.asp

http://www.more-paperweights.co.uk

http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/index2.htm

http://www.potteryglass.com/index.htm

http://mahasamatman.com/Paperweights/?Colin=on

http://www.loetz.com

http://www.glass.co.nz/index.htm

http://www.great-glass.co.uk/index.htm
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Max on October 02, 2005, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: "David555"
REf original item http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg

It's by Swedish company Skrufs - design by Lars Hellsten

I don't know the pattern name but it was put to good use on bottles and vases and bowls as well as ashtrays and classed as 'Pop Baroque'

See Miller's slim collector's guides - 'Glass of 50s & 60s' by N Benson pp50

Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:



Adam

Although it was my first thought also that this little ashtray was by Skrufs, isn't it a bit rash to say that it definitely is without finding a reference to an identical item?

 :?:

No offence intended, just trying to give Doris factual information.  :)
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Max on October 02, 2005, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: "Max"
Quote from: "David555"
REf original item http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg

Although it was my first thought also that this little ashtray was by Skrufs, isn't it a bit rash to say that it definitely is without finding a reference to an identical item?

 :?:

No offence intended, just trying to give Doris factual information.  :)


Blimey.  I've been to bed...for 30 mins, then got worried I'd been rude on the GMB....if I was, I didn't mean to be, sometimes words get in the way.  :(

Arghhhh!  I really MUST go to bed now!   :o
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: doris on October 02, 2005, 11:17:06 PM
Anne
Same jug Thank you

Tiger Chips
Super Sleuth

David
Thanks for input

Max
I'm with you!


Thank you all  looking at it again reminds me of a New Zealand Maori Rugby Player. It goes on to the display cabinet.
Regards
Doris
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Doris on October 02, 2005, 11:28:53 PM
David 555
Have just trawled some of the sites you mentioned and came across the  exact design on a bottle by Scrufs so looks like you are flavour of the mo th! Well done and thank you!
Doris
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Doris on October 02, 2005, 11:29:42 PM
month
Sorry
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: David555 on October 03, 2005, 12:01:33 AM
LOL Max

The Miller's book I quoted gives the exact design in every way - there can be no doubt or I would not have been so positive

Anyway Max you can't be rude to me no matter what you say or do, you are such a nice person how anyone could take offence ……..

And you like cats?

I have three including a Torty, a British Black & a Burmese

They keep me sane

Doris how did you know .. I am a Moth, a great big Moth!!

LOL
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Anne on October 03, 2005, 12:50:23 AM
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I am a Moth, a great big Moth!!


Adam, that explains why you're often on the board in the dead of night!  :wink:

(Like me!)  :lol:
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Tigerchips on October 04, 2005, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: "David555"
REf original item http://tinypic.com/e6yjv7.jpg

It's by Swedish company Skrufs - design by Lars Hellsten

I don't know the pattern name but it was put to good use on bottles and vases and bowls as well as ashtrays and classed as 'Pop Baroque'

See Miller's slim collector's guides - 'Glass of 50s & 60s' by N Benson pp50

Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:


Now i feel stupid.  :oops:

I Knew I had seen that ashtray design before someware so I looked in the "Glass of 50s & 60s' by N Benson". I found that Scrufs vase and thought it looked a bit like it but i didn't compare them together so now I feel really stupid.  :oops:
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Anne on October 04, 2005, 01:36:17 PM
No need to feel stupid at all Tigerchips. Seeing a pattern on one shape and not associating it with the same pattern on a different shape item is something most of us have done at some time I'm sure.  Just look back through the board and you'll find examples. ;)
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Tigerchips on October 04, 2005, 06:27:08 PM
Thanks, i feel much better now.  :)
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: David555 on October 04, 2005, 07:58:55 PM
Anne is right

Companies just copied or took elements so a design from one object does not make it applicable to another without further research

It's just I have seen that Hellsten range in bowls and your ashtray so I had that to back up the picture in the book – I also know the designers work a bit

In fact Hellsten was a bit obsessed with that shape, when he moved on to Orrefors he continued to play around with it see thread on a large dish I have (there is a guy there who knows the designer’s work really well) http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2324.0.html

Adam D555 :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: An ashtray with a face!!!!!!!
Post by: Anne on October 04, 2005, 09:10:23 PM
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there is a guy there who knows the designer’s work really well)

W L (Bill) Geary certainly knows much about this. :) Bill is the author of  Scandinavian Glass: Creative Energies. Incidentally, as a designer yourself, you may be interested  to know that Bill is currently designing some glassware for Skruv Glasbruk - see thread here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1902.0.html.  8)