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Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 24, 2006, 02:07:43 PM: This is my very last haul from Chelford carboot this morning, before relocating next week. Just had to have one last fix :P

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/mixed020.jpg

Left to right:

#1. Aquarium paperweight. Hopefully Murano, but most probably Chinese. Weights over 1kg. The fish are quite delicate, but the centre "blob" is exactly that :? What does anyone think please?

#2. Whitefriars "Nailhead" vase designed by Geoffrey Baxter in 1967. 16cm high. I think the colour is 'Meadow' but not too sure.

#3. Davidson jade flower block - 1910 series.

#4. Freeform bowl which seems to match the colours of ones seen on the Altaglass w.site. Hope this is Altaglass and not Murano, just for a change, just so that I can say its from Medicine Hat :lol: What a great name place!

#5. Ashtray designed by Rudolf Jurnikl for Sklo Union, c.60s. Great colour!

#6. Pair of Bohemia 'cube' candleholders (only 1 shown here). Don't know too much about these, and I think it's the same as the one that Ivo showed previously.

#7. Blue abstract thing - looks kind of Czech, but again I'm not sure. May be just paying homage to similar type Czech designs. Anyone have any thoughts about this one please?

Heck - another box of glass to pack up! Supposed to be downsizing but the whole lot cost less than a tenner :roll:

TIA for any comments. :P
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: flick on September 24, 2006, 02:15:27 PM: I am deeply jealous but very happy for you! Finding new things is a "fix" isn't it? At least it's harmless. We don't have car boots over here unfortunately but at least I don't have to get up at the crack of dawn. :D
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Post by: vidrioguapo on September 24, 2006, 03:27:52 PM: What a fabulous selection Anne - lucky you. Yes your Whitefriars nailhead looks like Meadow Green ( and I am Meadow Green with envy!!) Have a good move....I have just done it and am totally exhausted, also with a rather nasty shoulder injury from lifting too many heavy boxes of glass no doubt. So do be careful. One good thing is that my upper arms have become rather nicely "toned" as a result. !!LOL Emmi
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Sklounion on September 24, 2006, 04:10:02 PM: Hi Anne,
5 and 6, yes, correct ids.
7, not convinced that these are Czech, and I can think of only one item from one factory, made by Sklo Union, in red glass. These small vases seem to appear in many colours, including red, and often claimed as Czech, WF, Sklo Union, but I am tending toward Scandinavian manufacture.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 24, 2006, 04:20:03 PM: Thanks Flick :P and no, I don't get up at the crack of dawn, although I should on carboot day :lol: I need all the "beauty" sleep I can get :twisted:

Thanks for the colour confirmation Emmi. I knew you'd spot it :P I've been packing for weeks and all my glass (& Cornish pottery) is ready to go, apart from this morning's lot. My other WF pieces are already there in storage. Can't believe how heavy my Czech glass is collectively! Fortunately the removal man is a Goliath and reckons he can pick up a washing machine with one hand! (Should I be worried???) I am having fun vacuum packing clothes though, pity I can't do the same with glass :lol: Take care of your shoulder!

About to be super-honed-toned-fit-Anne 8)
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Laura Friedman on September 25, 2006, 03:31:47 PM: I agree that 1. is Chinese.
Don't know who made the last one, but I have a few and use them as candle holders (voltives). They pop up quite a bit here in the States, making me think it might be one of the North American companies.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 25, 2006, 03:51:24 PM: Many thanks for your comments Marcus and Laura :P (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/049.gif)

A great idea to use the last blue one as a votive. I'm sure I've seen these, or similar ones with painted(?) facets - but usually in a scratched condition.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: David E on October 09, 2006, 02:44:29 PM: Anne,

A similar freeform dish (4) is mentioned in Miller's 20th Century Glass (Andy McConnell) and is mentioned as being a copy of Flygsfors Coquille, and deriving from either Sweden, Czech or United States. Strangely, not even Murano is mentioned :shock:

As a point of interest, if you shine a UV torch on these vases they do glow eitehr salmon-pink (Selenium) or yellow (Cadmium) - not easy to say, but if it's yellow (try it on the tip) then I believe Cadmium was stopped being used many years ago, so might give an indication of age.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne on October 09, 2006, 03:21:17 PM: Quote from: "Le Casson"
7, not convinced that these are Czech, and I can think of only one item from one factory, made by Sklo Union, in red glass. These small vases seem to appear in many colours, including red, and often claimed as Czech, WF, Sklo Union, but I am tending toward Scandinavian manufacture.
Regards,
Marcus

I noticed a green one of these is on eBay currently... I meant to note it but didn't. I'll try and find it again for a colour reference.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: moreglass on October 11, 2006, 07:58:07 PM: Hi hello, saw your booty haul,impressive.The green textured vase i think is by Jones & Co of Birmingham,manufactured in Sweden.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Sklounion on October 11, 2006, 08:43:12 PM: Hi moreglass,
Have you seen these with labelling, or in Jones and Co adverts?
TIA,
Le Casson
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Della on October 11, 2006, 08:45:57 PM: The green textured vase was already id'd by Anne.

Quote from: "Anne EB"
#2. Whitefriars "Nailhead" vase designed by Geoffrey Baxter in 1967. 16cm high. I think the colour is 'Meadow' but not too sure.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Sklounion on October 11, 2006, 09:12:04 PM: Sorry Della,
Given the wide range of bark finish vases, I thought it might be an idea to ask. As we know Jones and Co, imported from Czechoslovakia, and many Rosice vases are mistaken for Whitefriars, visual sightings of Jones labels on such pieces might be important in eliminating other manufacturers. I am not doubting Emmi's attribution, merely attempting to clarify what the state of current knowledge is.
regards,
Marcus
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Della on October 11, 2006, 09:26:47 PM: Oh Marcus,
Please dont apologise. I totally understand where you are coming from, actually having more than a few (non-Whitefriars & unattributed) bark vases of my own.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: David E on October 11, 2006, 09:33:16 PM: Actually, I thought they were Jones when I first saw them :oops: :wink: :D
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne on October 12, 2006, 12:47:10 AM: Quote from: "Anne"
Quote from: "Le Casson"
7, not convinced that these are Czech, and I can think of only one item from one factory, made by Sklo Union, in red glass. These small vases seem to appear in many colours, including red, and often claimed as Czech, WF, Sklo Union, but I am tending toward Scandinavian manufacture.
Regards,
Marcus

I noticed a green one of these is on eBay currently... I meant to note it but didn't. I'll try and find it again for a colour reference.

Found it! Quite a bright green... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110038297346
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Post by: vidrioguapo on October 12, 2006, 01:38:28 PM: Anne, your green nailhead I see is being given a Jones and Co "label"....
It looks like a Whitefriars Nailhead and in Meadow Green. I can see why it might be thought of as something else as the photo is not that clear. BUT...the height you have given is within the catalogue parameters. It should be approx 4.5cms square and two of the sides should be textured and two plain sides. If this is correct, then "our" attribution is correct. All the Jones vases I have seen have been fully textured all sides, usually a lot larger and their green is not similar to Meadow Green. Emmi
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: redheat4 on October 12, 2006, 02:11:51 PM: No 7. I have 2 of these and one carries a lable I will get a photo tomorrow as it is somewhere in the garage. It is Bond Ware Japan.

Ian

:wink:
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Sklounion on October 12, 2006, 02:46:14 PM: Hi Emmi,
I was not questioning your identification of the "nailhead", merely trying to find why this was thought to be Jones and Co.
Whilst Max has posted responses to IsItWF, in an attempt to staighten the record, I also sent corrections to the site owner regarding so-called Jones and Co bark finishes in the mistaken identities section, last time I looked they still had not been changed to show these as "Moravia" pattern vases.
The vase in question in this thread is not a Jones and Co import from Sklo Union.

Ian, Thanks, this will be very useful to see.

Regards,

Marcus
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Post by: vidrioguapo on October 12, 2006, 03:27:13 PM: No Marcus, I didn't take it that way at all, was just really asking Anne to confirm the dimensions just in case the photo was deceiving. I understood what you were getting at. No problem! Emmi
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: redheat4 on October 12, 2006, 07:13:35 PM: Found it

http://i10.tinypic.com/452rw5h.jpg

http://i10.tinypic.com/30idv7m.jpg

Ian

:wink:
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Sklounion on October 12, 2006, 07:31:42 PM: Ian,
TVM, and applause,
there has always been a major doubt that these were Czechoslovakian production, no documentation etc, and very nice that we now appear to have confirmation. So I was wrong about Scandinavia.... oh well, what do I know.....
Thanks again and regards,
Marcus.
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Anne E.B. on October 20, 2006, 01:24:43 PM: Hi All! Thanks for all your comments :P Only just got my tinternet connection up and running today, so apologies for the delay in answering.

I can confirm that my nailhead is textured on two sides only and plain on the other two, and that it is 16cm high. Unfortunately its in storage along with virtually everything else for the foreseable future, so can't give any other measurements except to say that 4.5cm sq. seems about right from memory. However I agree with Emmi that it is WF :P . There was never any doubt in my mind about that, only the correct name of the colour. I agree, its really tricky just looking at photos :roll: and its difficult to ID these textured pieces without actually handling them. Hologram pics. that's what we need :lol:

Great ID on the small 'votive' Ian 8) . Good to know where they came from. I think I've got a vase with a Bond Ware sticker on somewhere. It rings a bell. When I eventually get things out of storage, I'll submit a pic.

Thanks once more folk 8)
Title: Some Czech pieces, Whitefriars, Davidson & Altaglass(?)
Post by: Frank on October 20, 2006, 01:32:03 PM: Can you folks create a Bond Ware thread with the various examples... thanks. Seems to be an important one for a higher profile than in such a mixed up thread.

Frank