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Title: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 02:47:31 PM
Is is damaged.  But is an amazingly beautiful piece of glass.
I think it is V Nason.   Or is it Czech - off to do some searching.
I will add some more pictures later as the interior is every bit as beautiful as the exterior and the base as beautiful as the lid.
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Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: keith on May 22, 2010, 04:48:16 PM
Very nice,could we see the base and inside please,might help,
                                                                           Keith.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
more pics.  I have found a decanter and glasses on Great Glass that seems to be the same design and is attributed to V Nason.
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib4ab.htm
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: keith on May 22, 2010, 06:28:39 PM
Looks like you've found it ;D,wish I could do that with some of my stuff!
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: Anne on May 22, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
 :mrgreen: Fabulous M, I'd definitely bet on it being Nason.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
Thank you  Anne  :)  I'm pretty certain as well.  It is a seriously quality piece of glass.  It weighs a ton and just feels 'good' somehow.  I'm just doing quite a bit of reading on here on the threads re it's age etc, and thinking if I have read correctly that this is 70's rather than the 30's it looks as though it could be.

Keith thanks for looking and yes it's good to find it ;D.  I had a feeling that's what it was when I bought it.   Mind you, I have quite a few pieces that I have no idea about though and get the feeling I am unlikely to ever know ::).
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Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 22, 2010, 07:56:59 PM
It's stunning, I imagine it would appeal to a very wide market too - way beyond glass collectors.

Be very, very careful with it!

It's got lots of corners and things with corners don't take dings and bumps kindly

The shock-waves from a ding will travel around a round piece, but come slamming to a halt at a corner.

Things with corners are harder to find - they've not survived the ravages of time as successfully as round things. 
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 08:13:51 PM
Sue, thanks  :)  it is damaged already though.  The lid only has one tiny fleabite and other than that is fine, but the base has a few fleabites round the edges and  a biggish chip off one of the upper corners of the base where the lid goes over.
Nonetheless you can see none of this when it is together and on display with chip at back  ;D and it is stunning. 
It's sharing glory with my Kralik box, which amazingly is perfect given what you have just pointed out. I am surprised that survived it's years to be honest.
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Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: keith on May 22, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
Could we see a pic' of the Kralik,bit of a Kralik nutter,please ;D
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: flying free on May 22, 2010, 08:35:14 PM
 Keith, the topic is here.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,22531.msg127201.html#msg127201

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Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: keith on May 22, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
Thanks,fantastic picture,Craig would love to see that I'm sure,Keith.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = N
Post by: rwh on May 25, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
Spectacular piece.  Although new to The Glass Message Board, I have been actively collecting and researching "pressed glass?" items produced by V. Nason & C.  So far I have found evidence of 34 different items in 6 different color patterns;  black base glass spotted with red, blue, yellow or turquoise glass and all with Aventurine (Avventurina) and black or turquoise base glass with aventurine.  I doubt each of the 34 different pieces were produced in each of the six color combinations.  I think production of these pieces began when the company was formed in 1934 in Murano, Italy and stopped maybe in the 1960's.  Does anyone know if there is an accepted name for this type of glass or the name of the production process?  I am sure a mold was used in production resulting in identical pieces that vary in the surface design.  The spotted colored glass and aventurine are only on the surface of the base glass and appear to have been subject to different degrees of heat as some are in lumps and others areas melted resulting in beautiful patterns. At some point the piece may have been cased in a clear glass.  So is it correct to call the pieces produced "pressed glass"?  I welcome any feedback.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: David E on May 25, 2010, 04:42:30 PM
From the information I have, I understand V.Nason closed about 2002. Also refer to Ivo's book: "current name V.Nason & C in use since 1989"

I have several pieces from the aventurine series myself, but also several of the animals and a few of the panel cut vases. Not sure about the terminology 'pressed glass' for every piece - some of them were mould-blown.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: David E on May 25, 2010, 05:29:47 PM
One other thing, the date of 1934 has always been a bit of a moot point! See this other topic here, which dates to 2006:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3882.msg30275.html#msg30275

The typical label found on the black and aventurine models also seem to have survived remarkably well, unless they produced these pieces from 1934 until c.1980. Note the use of the modern Nason logo (still used in 2000) on the Avventurine label. Also note the earlier Veritable Opaline label, believed to be the forerunner of V.Nason.

One query to 'rwh' how do the shape and forms of the coloured/aventurine models compare to the black/aventurine models. Are there some common shapes? I would really like to get to the bottom of the dating!
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: flying free on May 25, 2010, 08:51:09 PM

Here a link about Mario Gambaro, with his son talking about his father joining Vincenzo Nason in the 1960's/
http://www.promovetro.com/portal/concorso/maestro.php?id=714
I must admit I was under the impression from previous threads that this box would have been made in the late 60's/70's. 
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Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: David E on May 25, 2010, 09:17:25 PM
Thanks, that 1960s date might tie in with the formation of Veritable Opaline.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = N
Post by: rwh on May 26, 2010, 05:25:58 PM
David E.

Thank you for your input.  I think getting to the bottom of the dating is important and the labels are key to that.  My guess is the "Avventurina V. Nason & C Murano, Italy" label is the oldest and so far I have only found this label on the Black/Aventurine and Black/Red/Aventurine lines.  (By the way, it is spelled Avventurina.  The label in the Murano label library is missing the upper right corner.)  In each of those lines I have an example of one or two models not yet found in the other colors.  In answer to your question, most of the models of the Black/Aventurine line can be found exactly duplicated in the color lines.  The small 3 inch round ashtray was produced in all 6 lines and is one of my favorite displays.

I found one example of a "V. Nason & C Murano, Italy" label on the Black/Aventurine line.  As far as I can tell this label is not in the library.

Then there are the labels from "Weil".  My research produced the following on this company;  "Weil Ceramics & Glass, of Fifth Ave. NY, were importers of high quality glass in the 1930's until the 1960's.  They were taken over by Lladro in 1973".  I have found two variations of the Weil label;  "Weil Ceramics and Glass" and "Venetian Weil Murano - Italy".  I have found these labels on the Black/Turquoise/Aventurine and Black/Yellow/Aventurine lines.  

Then I have a label on the Turquoise/Aventurine line that I may try a black light on.  It is very badly faded but from what I can tell it is not in the label library.

Of other interest is that most but not all of the models have the raised letters ITALY on the bottom.  Would the lack of "Italy" be an indication of a non export item?
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: David E on May 26, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Thanks for that! I had a little niggle about the coloured lines, but you've put my mind to rest. I agree that the Avventurina (thanks for the correction) label is the oldest - followed by paper ones with the Nason logo and then plastic labels. Perhaps the circular plastic one is the latest. However, what date is the Avventurina paper labels? Examples I have are remarkably crisp and clean.

This board does have a Murano label gallery (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=102) so if you have any updates, please feel free to include them. One Nason label is the Veritable Opaline that I uploaded. If you do a search for 'Nason' it finds 31 pieces.

Weil has been mentioned before, and if you search for this term on this board it will find a few occurrences.

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Of other interest is that most but not all of the models have the raised letters ITALY on the bottom.  Would the lack of "Italy" be an indication of a non export item?
Good thinking, that's a possibility - worth pursuing.
Title: Re: a spectacular pressed box with masses of aventurine - red and black - ID = Nason
Post by: merlinsorangetabby on May 04, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Please please email me if you still own this piece, even if you do not want to sell it. That glass has been my collecting passion/obsession for almost 20 years. I like to catalog my pieces, and when I see one I do not own, I would love to at least get images of it for my book. Please email me: shiredogBriar at aol.com