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Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne E.B. on August 06, 2005, 04:31:24 PM
This is another amber find on my recent trip to Falmouth.  I'm really changing my mind about the colour amber, having fallen in love with my Sowerby water set (thanks once more to Ivo and Glen for help given on that one :lol: ).   I've got to say, this is beautifully made and is in mint condition.   The bowl is really elegant and so tactile and I can't keep my hands off it. :oops:  :roll:

The bowl is unmarked, but the frog has MADE IN ENGLAND and what looks like letters and numbers on the base, but I cannot make these out.  The plinth also has MADE IN ENGLAND and what looks like NO 4 on the base.  I presume the plinth is the original one for the bowl, as it sits so well on it.

Is this another Sowerby piece and how old could it possibly be?

Many thanks as always,
Anne E.B.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/amberbowlonplinth009.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/amberbowl010.jpg
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Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Glen on August 06, 2005, 04:48:48 PM
Looks like Davidson's, Anne. I think (but this is not my area) it is their 1910 pattern. Along with their plinth and flower holder, most likely.

Chris (of the Cloud Glass) website or Gareth, will be more help to you I am sure.

http://www.cloudglass.com/CatInt.htm

Glen
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 04:50:08 PM
Hi Anne

A George Davidson piece from the 1910 suite,,, BD1910 I think is the actual number...... oddly enough more often seen in a variety of cloud glass colours both pre and post WW11

Regards


gareth

morgan48
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne E.B. on August 06, 2005, 05:35:41 PM
Wow - that was a quick response!

Many thanks Gareth and Glen.
 
I checked out the link Glen, and spotted it.  It appears to have been produced from 1910 up until 1965 patt.1910SD (made in amber, blue, purple, green, orange, topaz-briar).  Its survived well, and is in far better condition than me! :wink:

Is this one less common Gareth than the cloud glass colours?

Anne  E.B. :shock:
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
Wow - that was a quick response!

Many thanks Gareth and Glen.
 
I checked out the link Glen, and spotted it.  It appears to have been produced from 1910 up until 1965 patt.1910SD (made in amber, blue, purple, green, orange, topaz-briar).  Its survived well, and is in far better condition than me! :wink:

Is this one less common Gareth than the cloud glass colours?

Anne  E.B. :shock:


Hi Anne

SD.... I knew it was something D ..... in fact 1910BD  is a real clunky bog stadard piece.
From what I've seen Anne it would appear to be less common.... but nevertheless not likely to fetch anywhere near as much...the black base is probably the most saleable part of the trio..... really nice condition though


Regards


Gareth
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne E.B. on August 06, 2005, 06:08:40 PM
Gareth, is that because it would most likely be used to display another piece of glass?  Are such plinths difficult to find?  I must admit, I have never seen any on my travels.
Anne E.B.
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Adam on August 06, 2005, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
Gareth, is that because it would most likely be used to display another piece of glass?  Are such plinths difficult to find?  I must admit, I have never seen any on my travels.
Anne E.B.


Anne - You have made me notice that I don't seem to see very many around either.  Considering the tens of thousands made at Sowerbys, Davidsons et al this is a bit surprising.  They are not easily broken.  I can only assume that when the article which they originally supported bites the dust the plinth too is scrapped.

Adam D.
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: "Anne E.B."
Gareth, is that because it would most likely be used to display another piece of glass?  Are such plinths difficult to find?  I must admit, I have never seen any on my travels.
Anne E.B.



Hi Anne

Yes particularly for either red or orange cloud glass where to date I've not seen a single one in those colours...... I always pick up any of the odd plinths, particularly the black, as it is surprising sometimes how it can alter the perspective of the piece once its elevated from the floor..... try it with yours and notice how it becomes so much more balanced.
Some are actually worth a fair bit if they are needed to authenticate a rare set , for example, of Walther, Joblings Bagleys etc
Here in the London area I've picked up quite a number over the years but would assume the availability is the same everywhere.... some people turn them over and call them ash trays.
Charity shops, junk shops and boot sales probably best place to find them and rarely more than a pound.
Perhaps you've just not really noticed them


Happy hunting

Gareth
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne on August 06, 2005, 07:36:06 PM
Gareth, they're not very common where I live, I've never seen one yet in any of the charity shops or junk/second-hand/bric-a-brac places I haunt. The only ones I've seen for sale have been on eBay and usually go for a fair sum of money!  :?
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 08:03:18 PM
Hi Anne Anne and Adam


Well I'm really surprised.... it got to the stage only a couple of years ago when I seemed to have them in boxes and in drawers all over the house so  I stopped buying them..... and then last summer a guy at a boot sale had 8 for the princely sum of a fiver... so who was I to say no.
I dont think they were thrown away but more likely in sheds garages and attics and probably considered to be worthless. I know some of the prices acheived on Ebay are really quite high..... in the world of collecting the complete article I suppose its like the boxes of model cars and certain dust jackets fetching prices way in excess of the article they surrounded.


Regards


Gareth


Morgan48
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Glen on August 06, 2005, 08:07:28 PM
I remember (to my eternal embarrassment and chagrin) when we first started to collect glass, we actually turned down a black plinth from a seller at a summer fete. The glass bowl was all we wanted (it was very cheap) and we said "thanks but no thanks" to the plinth.

Fortunately we stopped doing that very quickly. Have collected all we have seen since  :lol:

Glen
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne E.B. on August 06, 2005, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: "Glen"
I remember (to my eternal embarrassment and chagrin) when we first started to collect glass, we actually turned down a black plinth from a seller at a summer fete. The glass bowl was all we wanted (it was very cheap) and we said "thanks but no thanks" to the plinth.

Glen


OUCH!!!  :roll:  That must have hurt when you kicked yourselves after the event! :cry:

Gareth, you bring up a good point about them being used as ashtrays by some people.  Since my major source of glass is from car boots :oops:  :oops:  :oops: ,  I don't give ashtrays a second glance - unless they are of the gloopy Murano type, which can double up as small bowls.  If sellers don't actually know that they are plinths, then they are more likely to assume that they are in fact ashtrays and to display them as such.  I've just started collecting piano rests, and it appears that most of the sellers I have bought from, have just thought that they are not very exciting paperweights.  Which means I get them cheaper :twisted:

I will certainly be looking out for more plinths tomorrow morning!!! and will be rooting around in boxes where most car boot sellers seem to put their "ashtrays". :wink:

Regards - Anne E.B.
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Anne E.B. on August 06, 2005, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: "Adam"


Anne - You have made me notice that I don't seem to see very many around either.  Considering the tens of thousands made at Sowerbys, Davidsons et al this is a bit surprising.  They are not easily broken.  I can only assume that when the article which they originally supported bites the dust the plinth too is scrapped.

Adam D.


Adam I can quite believe that they are not easily broken!  The plinth glass reminds me of a Bagley Jetique posy bowl that I bought when I first started collecting.  I mistakenly thought it was ceramic at first and found it hard to believe it was actually glass :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: Amber posy bowl with frog - on plinth.
Post by: Hotglass on August 07, 2005, 03:36:31 PM
Judging by photo -  a very good amber. Clear, rich and warm.