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Title: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 27, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Can anyone identify this Folembray glass disk?  It's being sold as a battery rest, which is possible, but I'm doubtful.  The trademark is SAVOR which obviously makes me think it's some sort of kitchen glass.  Any ideas??

Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 27, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
The Folembray site does not include it with insulators but on it's own as a trademark... but seemingly not of the glassworks who also did disks with their tm/names etc. Their insulators look fairly conventional too.

http://cedric1.perso.neuf.fr/savor.html

Is the unreadable text = depose

Trademark Savor seemed to belong to a Jam or jam-jar supplier E. Hebert of Paris.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 27, 2012, 11:38:37 PM
Thank you!  But... but but but.... but what is it?
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Ivo on November 28, 2012, 06:05:43 AM
is your tape measure in cms or inches?
That will be the difference between coaster and wine coaster.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
I think it is 13 to 14 cms diameter (5 to 6 inches) assuming same size as other one.

If I am right on TM owner and being a little creative, how about an advertising drip tester tray for jam.  I use a small plate or saucer when making jam, others drip to their hands but that is too hot for me. Size is ideal... what do our other jam makers do?
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2012, 09:19:36 AM
 :'(   :o
 part of glass mine?  (http://www.fjr2.be/Pagina%2017%20-%20Heavy%20Infantry%20Weapons.htm) scroll down
 ???  :-X
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
Jam mines  ;D for the ones that set too hard....  :-X
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
I have never heard of dripping jam on your hand!
You put a tiny bit onto a cold saucer to see if it will set. Wait until it has cooled, then run your fingernail into it, to see if a skin has formed on the surface and to check how runny it is.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2012, 01:22:27 PM
 function  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHFX7phXKuI&feature=player_detailpage)  :-\
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
 :-[ Sorry, Pamela - yes, I think you've solved it!  8)

(I got distracted with the jam)
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: oldglassman on November 28, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
HI ,
            I don't see the grooves extending out of the edge to take the twigs as demonstrated !!

  cheers,
                      Peter.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 28, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
I am on dialup still, oh so very very slow, so cannot see videos.  Can someone tell me what the video is and what the final anwer is?
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2012, 03:42:21 PM
Ian, part of glass mine was my first idea, I did not mean that it definitely is.
Here's another image of a different type:
 blast mine  (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yx9dYMp-Hj8/TUU2202uE7I/AAAAAAAABkw/mNE_CPRQ0OM/s1600/Rapha%25C3%25ABl+Dallaporta%252C+Blast+Mine+GMMI-43%252C+de+la+s%25C3%25A9rie++Antipersonnel%252C+2004%252C+photographie.jpg)

edited to add: google "glasmine 43" - lots of images

Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
I waited until the end, but it didn't blow up. I didn't have the sound on, just in case.
It simply showed how it was assembled - this bit would just be the top, balanced part.
There was an ugly looking pot under it, with sinister paraphernalia in it.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
Video shows how the mines are constructed and operated but I don't see yours fitting the bill. The above ground plate is much more substantial.

Also I do not think anybody would go to the bother to trade mark mines as the only ones that might see it would be the victim. Unless of course they were used in an area where the brand name was well known and someone thought "cooeee" buried storage jar  ;D
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: oldglassman on November 28, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
HI ,
            Still don't see the grooves extending through the edge of the glass as can also be seen in the second 1 illustrated , those grooves as shown in the video held the top plate off the glass cover/detonator switch using twigs. keeping all pressure off the internal glass plate till stepped on .

   boom boom

  Peter.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 28, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
HI , Still don't see the grooves extending through the edge of the glass as can also be seen in the second 1 illustrated , those grooves as shown in the video held the top plate off the glass cover/detonator switch using twigs. keeping all pressure off the internal glass plate till stepped on.  Peter.

Glass mine.  Yikes!  Never heard of that before.  Thanks Pamela.

Hmm, possibly the grooves in the glass mine in the video might be "break here" lines, like the grooves on the American-style pineapple grenades, the better to fragment and slice up the enemy (or any unfortunate creature that wandered by.  Do you know where your kids are?).

I still can't get over SAVOR tho.  What's that all about?  "savor the carnage with our new line of SAVOR GLASS MINES"??

It has to be kitchen glass (so my pointy pink head thinks).  Jam thingy.  Technical jar lid thingy.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Savor would be an American kitchen. Here, in the uk, we savour our food.  ;D
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Ivo on November 28, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
Societe anonyme verrerie O and R yet to be filled in....
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 28, 2012, 04:47:12 PM
Savor would be an American kitchen. Here, in the uk, we savour our food.  ;D

Yes, you are right, it's the wrong spelling for a European trademark.  Nuts.  So it might just be meaningless.  Which would not be very helpful.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 04:58:57 PM
In first reply to Ian.

Trademark Savor seemed to belong to a Jam or jam-jar supplier E. Hebert of Paris.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
Oh and their advertising shows normal Kilner type jars so perhaps this is just an advertising tray. Here is a postcard on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/APPAREILS-ET-BOCAUX-SAVOR-8-RUE-TURBIGO-PARIS-eTABLISSEMENTS-SIDNEY-HEBERT-/271076551413?pt=FR_JG_Collections_Cartes_postales&hash=item3f1d6beaf5

Unfortunately most jars are offered in lots described in a truly useful gallic fashion loosely translated.... "Old Jars, various sizes, marked or not."
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
Trademark for jam is still in use but by a company that has not been around long and for a brand of jam. Unfortunately the French database does not give expired trademarks...
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
Still on a foodie theme, I have an unfortunate tendency to assume all flat round glass thingies like this are those doofers for stopping the milk boiling over.
I don't think this is one of those. 
I would not trust jam labelled "savor".   8)
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
Yeah, company does not seem to use the name in current product range... But they do do a milk jam...yeeeuuchhh
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 28, 2012, 06:07:22 PM
The Folembray site does not include it with insulators but on it's own as a trademark... but seemingly not of the glassworks who also did disks with their tm/names etc.

Seemingly not of the same glassworks?  Why?  It has a pretty typical Folembray green color, and it looks like their typical good quality work.  Color formula would be easy enough to specify to a glasshouse I suppose, so that's no proof.   ???

I like the bottom-of-the-pot anti-boiling thng idea.  But in the end, it looks like it would serve as a battery rest, too.  Folembray certainly made a wide variety of electrical glass.  I have a beautiful little glass cleat from them, taken from the factory walls itself I was told (i.e. it was in use once).  Love that green.

--ian
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
Same glassworks but Savor was a client's trade mark, not the glassworks. Wrong shape for the bottom thingy and much to big.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 28, 2012, 06:19:22 PM
Could be something really boring like a spoon rest.   I'm definitely stuck on kitchen.  Unless the glass is borosilicate, it would probably not be a trivet.

Yes, SAVOR is spelled wrong, but very possibly SAVOUR was already taken.  I need a set of Babson Bros. Kwik Klips, what horrid spelling, (Kozy Korner!), but likely Quick Clips was already taken; you see those deliberate misspellings all the time, forming new trademarks.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 28, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
and then folk who don't pay attention in the classroom, but who do read advertising, start using the ghastly spellings in daily life. Drives me potty.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: pamela on November 28, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
Gladly admit Ian's item is not part of a weapon  :-*

Frank, this one is clearly marked  Ankerglas Bernsdorf  (http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H086960.html)

 
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
Turns out also to be a French preserved food company name. I am guessing that it is a play on words in French... probably Saveur= flavour and sort of sounds like it....

Pamela, yes glassworks no problem... but a company that sells jars for jam using its trademark on mines that turn people to jam... I do not think so :D
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Anik R on November 28, 2012, 06:55:47 PM
I think it's the lid of a jar.

I've got an old jar which had a similar lid.   
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on November 29, 2012, 04:50:14 PM
I think it's the lid of a jar.

You do often see jar lids with strange knobs and bars and grooves and other such stuff, usually where the missing metal parts attached or hung onto or whatever-- think bail lid.  Fruit jars were one of those areas of vast experimentation and attempts to get around patents by inventing other weird closure ideas.  Definite jam/fruit jar lid possibility, which fits in with SAVOR of course.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: Ivo on December 01, 2012, 07:48:25 AM
Grooves and ridges on the inside of the lid means that jars van be sterilised and filled while standing on their lids.
Title: Re: Folembray thingy: trivet? battery rest? jar lid??
Post by: ian.macky on December 01, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
Grooves and ridges on the inside of the lid means that jars van be sterilised and filled while standing on their lids.

You mean put the lids on the bottom of a pressure cooker (or etc), then set the jars on top of the lids?  And the ridges would allow the steam access to the bottom of the jar?  That sounds like a good idea.