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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: spotsandstripes2 on December 07, 2015, 12:20:44 AM
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Hi, every so often I look through eBay for pieces that take me back to when I was a child... (my granddad worked at chances Smethwick and that was what they pulled out at Christmas and other special occasions) Today I stumbled upon this set, which I bought because l like it, but is it chances?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252195764854?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I am familiar with the plain spiderweb and amethyst crinkle as they owned these, I have also seen the blue, green and yellow crinkle. I have not seen clear before tho.
Cheers Sue :)
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Hi and welcome to the GMB. Thanks also for your e-mail, which I have replied to.
These and many other variations are all by Chance: green, yellow, blue and pink seem to be the stock coloured bands, but teal and amethyst are less often seen.
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Sorry, should have said that white crinkles are in the less-than-common bracket as well.
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David, thank you for getting back to me.
That's lovely news... I was expecting them to be fake because of the colour and how many pieces in the set, I didn't think I could be that lucky :D I'll still keep looking for the amethyst footed desert bowls that enchanted me as a child tho ;)
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Hello Sue and welcome to the board. Have you seen the orange crinkles version too?
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... and orange. Example also in Chance Additions.
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Hi Anne, I haven t seen orange before either :o , tho I had seen something similar a while back not sure what colour but the flowers made me think it was something else... I didn't realise the pressed glass designs could also be painted... v cool. I must get those books of David's... got a copy of Additions I found second hand that is coming for Xmas from me to me hehehe... ;)
Sue
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The floral decorations on virtually all Chance glassware are enamel transfers, not painted, although plain stripes, edgings and rims can either be sprayed or hand-applied. Close examination will reveal which is which.
Did anyone watch the Great Pottery Throw Down on BBC2 last week (the final is on tonight - Tuesday)? This showed the contestants applying stripes by hand. A really interesting series.
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Ah, I didn't realise the floral designs were transfers, they look so intricate. I knew the pictoral designs were as I saw lots of examples such as the car pin dishes. I would love to know how they made the floral enamel transfers, they are so beautiful. I wish I had asked my granddad when he was still with us.
Sue
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Wonder if your grandad knew my grandad he also worked there and I also collect Chance glass ( and a few others ::) ) ;D welcome. ;D
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Hi Keith, never know, its a small world lol .He was there from the 30s to 80s I think :) I've only just started collecting since he passed away 4years ago, they had a lot of Chances glass and it brings back lovely memorys for me :)
sue
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Think I might have a few years on you, my grandpa passed away well over 40 years ago, I think he was there till the late 50s, my late father said he did 'radar glass' during the war and petrol pump tops after, small world it is. ;D ;D
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If your granddad did petrol pump globes then he would have worked for W E Chance & Co. Ltd (a company within a company) that went on to produce ... Fiestaware!
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Were the transfers patented to chance or were they used by other companies, i have a creamer for sale on Ebay with the same rose pattern as the orange bowl, ( i dont like mixing business with pleasure if i can help it) but here is the link.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Chance-glass-pink-rose-pattern-glass-creamer-/151908119589?
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No, they were made by a company called J M Gulliver, Chance Additions, p.20. They have also been seen on other glassware and ceramics, so not exclusive to Chance. I have seen a jug like this before - is it Sherdley?
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Keith, they would definitely have worked there at the same time then, my granddad worked up on the top floor, management of some kind. I remember him telling me about the war effort and that he wasn't allowed to join up because the work chances did with the radar tubes was important. He passed away at the ripe old age of 103 :o just a few weeks short of his 104th birthday sadly :'(
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Chris, I looked at that earlier today, very pretty 😊
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Sue, that's a good age, can't remember how old mine was, he never spoke about his work and I didn't know he worked there until after I started collecting, i mentioned to my dad that I had some Chance glass and he said oh your granddad worked there, neither of them were known for being talkative ::) ;D ;D
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David, love the Additions book, very informative. I'm going to have to lend it my mum, it will mean a lot to her also... I am so glad that this history has being preserved, its great to be able to show my young sons what their Great Granddad was a part of. Thank you xx
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I think it was a generational thing, my Granddad talked to me quite a lot when I was little about it, but as I was small I've forgotten more than I remember. I remembers a few tales like that he got on well with Edgar as they both had a great passion for birds, and that he had many Chances friends in America, but my mum, his daughter, grew up with chances glass around her and remembers a lot more about the designs than I do :)
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David, what do you think of this please,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Glass-Large-Salad-Dessert-Bowl-6-Matching-Dessert-Bowls-Blue-Pattern-/161902150905?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=e7KJ6YJ3x2jZObBKdgQtrDgcgxw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
It appears to have the Greco border and similar style to chances but I can't find reference on the nets or in Additions. Could it be Chance?
sue
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Much more likely to be German in my opinion
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Hi Christine, interesting.. I read that some of the spiral copys were German, was it a particular company that produced the Chance like glass or more widespread. Was there no copyright on any of the Chance transfers or were they open to free reproduction... were their any limits?
so many questions lol 😊 the more I find out the more I want to know haha... I could really get into this ::)
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Definitely continental. As per Chance Additions p.102-113, there are a few more possibilities, such as Holland (Flamingo), W.Germany (Spiegelunion) and E. Germany (VEB), all of which produced Chance-alike designs, plus a new one that I've discovered called White Goose (Holland) that produced a Lace pattern complete with Spirograph border, which is identical to Chance. Whether these were copies or licensed through Chance is anyone's guess. The printing on this bowl (not blue) is actually a light-grey and probably using the Durographic process that was first developed in Denmark.
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Mmm , ill have to look the durographic process up. So quite a few European countries did copies and variations. I wonder if maybe variations were to used to circumnavigate possible copyright infringement. Interesting. Thanks David
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David, at closer inspection of Additions there's reference to a floral Greco pattern on p109 which albeit it being square and on blue glass, is an almost identical design 😊
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You really need my first book, Chance Expressions, which covers these topics along with identification of all the patterns known in 2007 and further background detail. Spiegelunion was a known copier of Swirl, but with VEB being East German the contravention of designs was almost impossible to stop and both companies did cause problems to Chance.
The blue tinted tray in my book does bear a lot of similarities so could well have come from the same factory.