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Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: AlmasAttic on February 15, 2006, 08:08:06 PM
I recently acquired these beauties, and had not identified them till I browsed your site the other day Pamela, and saw your Walther Mary Candlesticks, which made me think these are the same. They came with the tray.

https://www.trocadero.com/stores/AlmasAttic/items/503144/picture1.jpg

https://www.trocadero.com/stores/AlmasAttic/items/503145/picture1.jpg
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 15, 2006, 09:26:43 PM
I'll come under the generic heading of "anyone". Yes the candlesticks are August Walther's "Mary" (and very pretty too).

Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 09:36:36 PM
Cheri, I do think the candlestick holder is MARY
the tray hmm let me please think about it
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 09:39:08 PM
Roland?
is another possibility
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 09:42:36 PM
and 'Roland' would lead us into a never ending story of german pressed glass I'm really afraid
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 09:54:33 PM
well then I start it:
there is a twenty x 2 strikes star at the base
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 15, 2006, 09:58:22 PM
Tricky! Roland has the curved outer edges (scallops). But the star isn't exactly right (although Roland does have variations in the star). I can't see a Roland that has the alternating long and short star points though.

Difficult.

Pamela - do you have a tray (tablett) show in the Mary pattern?

Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 10:01:13 PM
Glen, if I would, I'd posted it long ago  :?
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 15, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
but: there is an ashtray, a creamer and a box
so far I did not count the rays
I beg for some days to count
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 15, 2006, 10:27:46 PM
Sorry, Pamela, I didn't explain what I meant very well. Is there a tray in the Mary pattern in the Walther catalogs? I cannot see one - and I wanted to check if you had or not.

Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: AlmasAttic on February 15, 2006, 11:46:54 PM
wow! thanks for all the fascinating discussion here Pamela and "anyone" Glen :)

So can I therefore assume that the candlesticks are definitely MARY by Walther, but that the jury is still out on the tray  :?:

again, thanks to both of you
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 16, 2006, 09:09:10 AM
Quote from: "AlmasAttic"
So can I therefore assume that the candlesticks are definitely MARY by Walther, but that the jury is still out on the tray  :?:

Cheri - yes, that's how I see it.

The Walther catalogs have clear and distinct illustrations of the candlestick, and it is shown as "Mary". But in the catalogs that I have, there is not an entire suite of shapes shown - just one or two "here and there" - and certainly no "Mary" oval tray.

There are several dresser trays shown - but none is the exact match to yours. But then we know that not every piece was shown in the pattern books, and of course, there must be catalogs that have not yet seen the light of day.

Of course it's even possible that your tray is not from Walther.

So, yes, I guess the jury is still out.

Beautiful candlesticks  :D

Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: AlmasAttic on February 16, 2006, 02:24:53 PM
Thanks Glen!

I do appreciate the assistance and the compliment on the gorgeous candlesticks.

I am tentatively listing the tray as Mary too, as it was purchased from an Estate as a set with the candlesticks and certainly the glass seems identical, plus, there is just "something" about the pieces that seem to match....
Look forward to hearing if Pamela's sleuthing turns up anything more definite on the tray

I do so love the old Walther glass! :P
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 16, 2006, 07:34:37 PM
Cheri, had no time today to count the rays of the star base - in fact I even didn't go to my museum  :?  but looked through all catalogues' copies I have got:
there is a similar oval tray with the same star base in the Walther VMG 1931 catalogue ROLAND # 21186/21188 on page 46 - the one pictured has got 18 arches, whereas yours has 30 ! maybe 21186 had 18 and 21188 had 30?  :evil:
another one is shown on page 114 - that one has got 24 arches  :?

I do think that offering your tray as maybe Walther is not incorrect, but it seems - as Glen said - it is not MARY

'Mary' as a pattern name never apppeared again in Walther catalogues in other shapes!

Glen, are you able to post the Walther/Radeberg pages here, please? VMG 1931 came with PK 2003-2-1 : thank you! (this computer here is a simple small notebook, no scan, no print, no nothing but GMB! which is the most valuable equipment :D  )
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 16, 2006, 08:43:42 PM
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7319499070&fromMakeTrack=true

incredible coincidence... just came across this one in Australia Cheri!
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 16, 2006, 08:46:30 PM
as always - this leads me to thinking of 'this pink one newly made in Malaysia'?
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: AlmasAttic on February 16, 2006, 09:34:25 PM
hmmmmmm

now that IS interesting Pamela as I have a "vaseline" glass dresser jar that looks like that pink one, and it was sold to me as Bagley

(https://www.trocadero.com/stores/AlmasAttic/items/483465/picture1.jpg)

 :roll:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 16, 2006, 09:40:06 PM
poooh!
Cheri I am not the Bagley expert I'm afraid  :(
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 16, 2006, 09:52:45 PM
and so far there is nothing comparable in Walther I'm afraid
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: AlmasAttic on February 16, 2006, 10:58:57 PM
Pamela

I have sometimes purchased dresser "sets" only to discover later that they are in fact made up of pieces by a variety of manufacturers! So I am guessing that is maybe what that pink set may be :roll:
and also so possibly the fact that my MARY candlesticks and the tray came together but may not be from the same pattern or both by Walther
(tho I must say again that there is just that distinctive "something" about them that whispers Walther to me!....the texture and colour of the glass is very like my green satin Nymphen set, and the workmanship is what I have come to love about Walther pieces)

so, for now the candlesticks are labelled Walther "Mary" and the tray just "believed to be Walther" with thanks to you and Glen in both descriptions :P
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 17, 2006, 11:28:01 AM
Pamela - I'll try and grab some time later to scan and upload the Roland pieces. I don't have the CD for that catalog, I have a hard copy, so I will need to scan them first. I'm a bit short on time now...more (and hopefully pics) later.

Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 17, 2006, 12:53:50 PM
Pamela - here are the Roland pics - 3 pages.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/roland.html


Glen
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 17, 2006, 03:34:36 PM
Thank you for your efforts Glen  :)
Guess, Cheri will like to see also.

copyright: S. Geiselberger  :!:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Anne on February 17, 2006, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: "Glen"
Pamela - here are the Roland pics - 3 pages.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/roland.html
Glen


Ooohh Glen, how very much like Chippendale some of that looks! I'm getting even more confusled now. :oops:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 17, 2006, 08:17:49 PM
Oh, Anne, you really, really really don't want to see Brockwitz' CHICAGO then!
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/chicago.html

Glen :roll:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Anne on February 17, 2006, 11:03:33 PM
Glen, yes I do! I do!

Eeeek! I see what you mean, errmmmm... now I have a shelf full of maybe-not-Chippendale, as well as those which I am pretty sure are Chippendale. Ho hum.  :roll:

Thanks Glen.  :lol:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 17, 2006, 11:09:27 PM
Glen, I've got no idea of copyright or copyleft, but why did you erase SG in your scan of this afternoon - it was there and now it is not :oops:
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 17, 2006, 11:11:59 PM
I did that, Pamela, as I felt it was best to remove the specific text on the catalog pages (which by themselves are not copyright) and instead I have added a specific acknowledgment to Seigmar and PK at the bottom of the page.
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Glen on February 17, 2006, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: "pamela"
Glen, I've got no idea of copyright or copyleft, but why did you erase SG in your scan of this afternoon - it was there and now it is not :oops:


By the way, Pamela, I did not erase SG at all. The text at the head of the individual pages did not mention Seigmar at all. It said "Musterbuch VMG Walther 1931" and the pattern name plus the name of the individual from whom Seigmar obtained the catalog. I felt it was possibly not right to keep that text in place - and I wanted to acknowledge Seigmar and Pressglas Korrespondenz, which is why I put the full acknowledgement at the foot of the webpage instead. I thought that was the most correct and courteous way to do it. I would have done it that way in the first place if I had thought about it - but I was working under time pressure.
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 17, 2006, 11:20:28 PM
Anne, and then there is also STREIT of Hosena-Hohenbocka near Berlin with their pattern 'NEW YORK'
Can you perhaps imagine that normally I deny on looking at these items at all as I'd get curious some day regarding these shapes  :twisted:  :twisted:

(and this is beautiful English language: I type: I'd - and nobody knows what I'd like to say: I should, I could, I would  :?: )
Title: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on February 17, 2006, 11:26:13 PM
Thank you Glen, that's perfect in my eyes, it was just a question of a few hours - I beg to apologize for my posting this question  :oops:
Title: Re: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: pamela on July 14, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
Now, as Walther 1937 is online on www.glas-musterbuch.de I have to admit, there was another MARY item: the covered dish
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1937.76+B6YmFja1BJRD03NiZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MzIzOSZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD03NiZkZXRhaWw9.0.html

Never seen in flesh. The 1937 catalogue seems to be a real Goldgrube  ;)
Title: Re: Pamela or anyone.....is this Walther MARY
Post by: Anne on July 20, 2015, 05:37:10 AM
The images posted by almas attic have vanished, so I am adding copies of mine for reference here.