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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: rocco on December 09, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
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My guess would be Czech, as there is a very similar one (different colour) in Dusan's beautiful web gallery, unfortunately without further description...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/e9BY0hLwEoaetUz1RPRlhA (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/e9BY0hLwEoaetUz1RPRlhA)
Height 14cm, very heavy.
Thanks!
Michael
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I also think it's Czech, possibly Chribska, nineties or later, though I leave it gladly to the expert to confirm. I have something with a similar pattern, so I'm interested if more is known. The etchmark on the base I interpreted so far as meaning it's a seconds.
Astrid
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Thanks, Astrid!
Your ashtray really seems to be a relative of my vase...
I also think it is not very old as it has little wear to the bottom.
Michael
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Hi Astrid,
I just found this small blue-green vase on the fabulous website of the Dutch glass collector you posted in the other thread: http://www.artglassleiden.nl/archives/10105 (http://www.artglassleiden.nl/archives/10105)
Has a marbled inclusion on one side like in our pieces.
He attributes this small vase to Moser, probably Suhajek, very interesting...
Michael
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Well, although he does have a fabulous collection, he's not always right in his attributions. Moser usually signs their pieces on the base. Personally, I don't believe it's Moser. If it isn't modern Czech, my hunch would be Polish. I do wish I could remember where I've seen the pattern before...
Astrid
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Hi:
The shape seems like a squatter version of the Skrdlovice vase by E. Beranek. I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't have used such colours. I agree with Astrid in her reservations about the Moser attribution, which was very tentative anyhow. It's in the dusan gallery for his question mark pieces, and has been there for a while. Once id'd, dusan leaves them there, as you can see by the attributions that have been added. That would lead me to assume that it's not pre-1993 Skrdlovice.
I think Astrid's hunch is correct.: Polish if not Chribska. Pre-1993 Chrinbska did do a similar vase with a stain of colour in it, but without the little Skrdlvovice ears on top.
David
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I think this etched mark on the bottom, like a II in a circle has been identified on a previous thread ages ago as a factory mark linked to being some kind of factory production mark at Chribska, seen on the bottom of a fairly typical 1970's-1980's vase I think .... As soon as I saw these pieces I thought fairly modern Chribska but maybe Jindrich can add more information... They are lovely looking, carelfully designed pieces.
Robert (bOBA)
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Earlier posting with my version of the same vase http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16919.msg98141.html#msg98141
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Thanks Anne, for finding the earlier thread. Recent Chribska it is, then.
Astrid
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I think that this is the same piece with a different colour swirl. http://picasaweb.google.com/exat212/32#5212196239342996738
It even has a label, VUUS, which Langhamer, p. 282, has as Výzkumný Ústav Užitkového Skla, Novy Bor. Ricke, p.423, states that the name translates as "Utitility Glass Research Institute." He writes it researched, "among other things, the shaping of of hollow forms with a wood stick, the decoration of decoration of objects with regularly and irregularly twisted glass threads, the application of flat and relief surface blobs." So the piece here is is consistent with what VUUS produced. Research stopped in the early 70's and the glassworks closed in 1976.
So it seems possible that this is an older, and perhaps more significant, piece than we first thought. Of course, the label could there by mistake as well.
Jindrich, is this a possible attribution or should we stick with the Chribska?
David
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It is Chribska.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Jindrich:
Is the VUUS label on the other piece incorrect, or is VUUS the same as Chribska, or did Chribska take over VUUS designs, or is the piece I pointed out not the same as Roco's? I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand.
David
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Thank you all very much for this interesting discussion!
So this seems to be Chribska, recent production.
David, your investigation on the labeled piece is also very interesting, perhaps VUUS developed a sort of "role model" for this kind of design?
Anne, your version of this vase is very nice!
Well, although he does have a fabulous collection, he's not always right in his attributions.
Astrid, you may be right here, he attributes Riedel to Germany :)
Greetings from Austria
Michael
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I've got doubts that these vases are recent production... I've also got one, about 16cm high, which has got very significant wear to the base. Also, the colours are not necessarily 'modern'.
I would suggest we still keep this topic opened. :usd:
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Re. David's post:
"Is the VUUS label on the other piece incorrect, or is VUUS the same as Chribska, or did Chribska take over VUUS designs, or is the piece I pointed out not the same as Roco's? I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand."
VUUS is not something I know a lot about either David. It certainly looks possible that this where the design originated. I do know that Chribska may have produced many designs that originated elsewhere so both could be true perhaps, VUUS and then also later Chribska production as guaranteed by Jindra. The idea seems interesting to me, given the near identical designs from VUUS and Chribska.
It is an interesting idea.
Robert (bOBA)
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My version too has lots of age related wear on the base which led me to believe it was almost as old as me ;) but not quite.
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Hi all:
I know it's quite a long time from the last post to this topic but I also would like to find out something more about the designer of the small heavy vase. One of mines has a VUUS label on it . I am attaching photo of it for a reference. Also, I came across another similar small vase with VUUS label on the internet so I am posting images of it too. Unfortunately these images are not mine and I do not know who made them to ask for permission to public them here. If it is against the rules of this forum, could you please remove them? Thank you.
Interesting similarity of colour swirl can be seen on Jiri Suhajek's vases published in his 1989 catalogue on Jindra's cs/sklo pages (pic. no 20):
http://picasaweb.google.com/104509467784289017506/JiriSuhajek1989?authkey=Gv1sRgCN67hqiExqi4FQ#5443643566003048402
Could this possibly lead to Jiri Suhajek as a possible designer of the vase? Thank you.
Torysa
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Interesting, Torysa! I wonder what VUUS was? The label certainly doesn't look very modern.
There is still so much to discover and learn about Czech glass.
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Thanks Anik for answer. VUUS stands for 'Výzkumní ústav užitkového skla' as David mentioned earlier in this topic: "...It even has a label, VUUS, which Langhamer, p. 282, has as Výzkumný Ústav Užitkového Skla, Novy Bor. Ricke, p.423, states that the name translates as "Utitility Glass Research Institute." He writes it researched, "among other things, the shaping of of hollow forms with a wood stick, the decoration of decoration of objects with regularly and irregularly twisted glass threads, the application of flat and relief surface blobs." So the piece here is is consistent with what VUUS produced. Research stopped in the early 70's and the glassworks closed in 1976.... "
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That much I know (I did read what David wrote on the previous page 8) ). But it seems our knowledge, or at least my knowledge, of VUUS is very limited. Who were the designers? How many designs came from there? Did they cooperate/collaborate with other glassworks? And why is a research institute producing (what appears to be) a large number of one design?
Ah, so many questions.
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Sorry, but I am just beginner regarding glass. All what I know about VUUS is from Helmut Ricke's book 'Czech Glass 1945 - 1980'. From what is in the book, VUUS "...focused its attention on research and development tasks for national enterprises..." and further "...As demands for research activities gradually decreased, the institute's undertakings shifted to the production sphere... " . Based on information from Ricke's book I would vote for Rocco's idea about the vase being made in VUUS as a "role model" and then widely produced in Chribska glassworks.
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There is another interesting information in Helmut Ricke's book regarding VUUS : "...The research institute collaborated with the ÚBOK.." (Center for Home and Fashion Culture in Prague).
According to Jiri Suhajek CV on the internet, he worked in ÚBOK glass department as a designer from 1979 to 1994. Could there be a possibility that the design for the vase was developed during the time of collaboration of ÚBOK with VUUS and that the similar design was used for his later work?