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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Resolved Paperweight Queries => Topic started by: incazzatonero on April 24, 2012, 06:07:01 PM

Title: now the auction is finished please help ID. ID = Chinese (majority view)
Post by: incazzatonero on April 24, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
I have got this item.
My first idea was Chinese.
But could it be Silesia, Bohemia?
Any opinions??

http://www.ebay.de/itm/200742374551?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

The ground is concave.
On surface are some little fleebites.
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 24, 2012, 06:37:00 PM
Chinese, would be my thought
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: incazzatonero on April 24, 2012, 07:56:40 PM
Yes and Yupp!
The easiest way is always to say :Chinese.
Let us wait for other comments!
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: RAY on April 24, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
i'd also say chinese
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: Roger H on April 24, 2012, 09:10:55 PM
I say chinese also, but not with 100% certainty as I would on others as there are some not typical characteristics.       1   Base finish.
 2  Individual cane extrusions.
      Regards Roger.
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: incazzatonero on April 25, 2012, 12:34:55 AM
But if it is really Chinese with  x % ...; ??? ;
It is one of the best !!!???
Or not?  ;D
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 25, 2012, 06:23:01 AM
I have an old Chinese weight with that base
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: tropdevin on April 25, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
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As some board members know, we collect older Chinese paperweights.  Here is an image of some more, including some with canes that are similar to those in the weight that started this thread.

alan
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: Roger H on April 25, 2012, 07:35:12 PM
Forget whether they are chinese or not,,, they are pretty good eh. Roger.
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: paperweights on April 30, 2012, 01:01:07 AM
My opinion is  that these are not Chinese, but are of Bohemian / German origin.  The quality of the glass is much better than Chinese.  I realize that I am in the minority.  Also, I have never found one with China scratch signed on the bottom as was required of Chinese weights post 1929.
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: tropdevin on April 30, 2012, 08:00:22 AM
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Hi Allan.

I know we disagree on the source of these millefiori weightss, but I would not expect to find a China mark or label on most of my Chinese weights.  It was not a requirement in Europe - only in the US.  We have got over 100 Chinese weights, including our Chinese Whites, and not one is scratch signed. Two have paper labels - a small red lampwork flower design, and a Chinese White - and both of those were purchased in the US.  If you have unmarked ones, they could be pre-1929, of course.

Even if the weight are not Chinese, I just don't see these as 'Bohemian'.  All the Thuringian and Silesian weights that I have seen have flat bases, usually fine ground rather than polished (except for the high quality antique Boho weights from Josephinehutte etc).  The weights discussed in this thread have had there pontil mark smoothed by grinding on a wheel, leaving a concave depression, sometimes very irregular in shape, yet often quite shiny, just like Chinese Whites. 

Alan
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: paperweights on April 30, 2012, 01:49:12 PM
The weights of this type in my collection all have ground bases and are unlike the 1930s Chinese bases.  So, we agree to disagree.
Title: Re: now the auction is finished please help ID
Post by: incazzatonero on April 30, 2012, 05:45:55 PM
OK
I have got the little paperweight
and it is pretty nice.
One of the most importend collectors and experts in Germany told me:
it is definitely Chinese!
And after exploring my books and the weight:
I have the same opinion.
Thanks for the comments.
Kindest regards.