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Title: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: lyndhurst44 on October 05, 2008, 01:17:38 PM
Hi,
I purchased this super Art Deco Trinket or Dressing table set yesterday, really brightened up a dismal day. I have not personally seen it's like but i have seen similar discribed as either Walther or Bagley.
The set is in excellent undamaged condition but is missing a bowl base and possibly a ring holder. The two small lidded bowls have a lady's face on lid.
Can anyone confirm makers company name please?
Thanks,
Bryn
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Littleblackhen on October 05, 2008, 01:33:25 PM
What a lovely set :)

I have had a look through the excellent Pressglas site and there is a picture of the tray and one of the pots, but unfortunately it is recorded under unknown http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html

I hope someone will come along later who can help.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 05, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
I don't think anyone on here has identified them yet  :'(
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: pamela on October 05, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
by no means Walther, I'm anxiously awaiting Marcus' book  :D
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: lyndhurst44 on October 05, 2008, 06:43:08 PM
Hi,
Thanks for your comments, bit of a mystery.
I would like to seek out the missing bowl for the one figural lid. There is one bowl with a plain deco style lid on Ebay that I have my eye on, the pattern and measurements seem to fit.

Bryn
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Anne on October 05, 2008, 08:27:07 PM
Still currently a mystery, this one. :(
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Sklounion on October 05, 2008, 11:26:12 PM
Hi,
Sorry, this will remain an unknown, as this has not appeared in any catalogue made available to me, by Czech sources.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: barb800 on October 09, 2008, 11:52:19 PM
Hello,
I'm sure I have seen this set sold sometime ago on ebay with the original paper sticker, Made in Czechoslovakia but with no makers name. It is a lovely design, I have a part one in pink.
Regards,
Barb.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: bungie60 on October 10, 2008, 11:41:36 PM
Detail of trinket pot with lady sitting on might be of help in your search
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: lyndhurst44 on October 17, 2008, 10:37:38 AM
Hi,
Thanks for your help, it is interesting to see the shape of required item.
Sorry for the delay in replying but I've been away since last friday.
Cheers,
Bryn
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: bungie60 on October 20, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
Might be worth a look Bryn on ebay looks darker than yours though good pics Item number: 370098201766
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: lyndhurst44 on October 21, 2008, 06:21:45 AM
Might be worth a look Bryn on ebay looks darker than yours though good pics Item number: 370098201766
Thanks, I will keep an eye on that. I think they are selling the 2 smaller pieces too.
Bryn
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Simba on October 31, 2012, 01:17:09 PM
I have part of this set in frosted flint and would I be right in thinking it is 'Rebecca at the Well' I found information online that Bakewell, Pears & Co made such pieces in 1876 and was reproduced by Fostoria in the 1970's. She is a standing lady holding a similar pot, this could be a copy of that. I have seen it called the Egyptian set because of the Pyramids on the tray.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Simba on October 31, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
My set with the ring dish can be seen here
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-17527
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 31, 2012, 01:45:26 PM
http://www.trocadero.com/stores/leebroad/items/190812/item190812.html

That candlestick in it's general form is not unusual...I think mention of Fostoria and Bakewell, Pears just muddies the water.

I have teal blue pots and they are uranium
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Simba on October 31, 2012, 03:56:56 PM
Didn't mean to confuse issues mentioning the other makers, my thinking was the theme of the set seems to be Rebecca at the well with her handmaidens a very popular religious, in particular Jewish theme.... might suggest the country of origin. ;)
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Simba on November 29, 2012, 08:52:53 PM
I see a seller has one of these trinkets sets on Ebay with a label for Czechoslovakia on two of the pots !

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-GORGEOUS-BOHEMIAN-ART-DECO-LADY-DESIGN-URANIUM-GLASS-DRESSING-TABLE-SET-TRAY-/310519128272?pt=UK_Collectables_VanityCollectables_SM&hash=item484c61e0d0&_uhb=1
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: agincourt17 on November 30, 2012, 08:57:08 AM
I have obtained permission from the owner of the labelled pots to post permanent reference photos of them on the GMB once the auction has finished, and I will do so in due course.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Simba on November 30, 2012, 06:22:13 PM
Well done ! :)
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: Anne on November 30, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Excellent, thanks Fred, that is very useful. The next task is to figure out who used that label! :)
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: agincourt17 on December 11, 2012, 09:00:06 AM
Labels, as promised.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: rosecottagesales on December 15, 2012, 06:26:15 AM
Great job :)

Next will be the Galleon set, also often being described as Walther. Don't know where the sellers got the info from, but I do strongly believe that this set is also made in Czechoslovakia.

Cheers
Brenton
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: agincourt17 on December 15, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
I think the 'galleon' set is often attributed to Walther because the sailng ships on the galleon set tray do have a passing resemblance to Walther's Segelschiff centrepiece, shown on Pamela's site at
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00629.jpg
though, without any firm evidence it's very much a case of '2 + 2 =5'.
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: rosecottagesales on December 15, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
Hi there

The colour / shade of the Galleon dressing table set is not right for Walther. The shape of the tray is very similar to the lady dressing set as discussed in this post and the moulding of these pieces are not as good as those made in Walther I have to say.

Walther Segelscliff centrepiece doesn't look like the Galleon dressing table set at all  :).

Cheers
Brenton
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: John Smith on December 15, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
... Just want to add, that I also have several of these sets. They have often been mistakenly termed as Egyptian pattern due to what appears to be pyramids, but is in fact a landscape. I only 'assume' that the image is of the three graces perhaps? They are very nice though, particularly the candlesticks which unlike the Walther Nymphen's, are oposed left & right. They are also noticeably smaller in height. As for the maker? A mystery. 
Title: Re: Blue Art Deco trinket set Walther?
Post by: John Smith on December 15, 2012, 06:32:12 PM
... also, my sets are slightly different with their components. One has two small pots with lady lids and one larger, and with the intaglio lid as a trinket dish. The other set has no lady lidded pots, but the intaglio ones. Again, I presume that like with many sets, one purchased what they required from the range at time of manufacture??? erm, just a pause for thought: I never rely upon labels. Particularly Czech ones. They have been faked & forged even to this day and stuck upon all manner of glass, but that is not to say that I question the integrity of the seller. Just my own observation. 
Title: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Greg. on December 16, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
Hi All,
Thought I would post a few pictures of this deco dressing table set, as far as I am aware this set hasn't been attributed to date, please correct me if I am wrong. Not my usual thing, however, nice to encounter fully complete.

All thoughts welcome, more than happy for photos to be used if desired by other GMB members.

Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Greg. on December 16, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
Small world!....just noticed the thread below this one, discussing these exact same sets...moderator please feel free to merge these threads if preferable.

 :)
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Anne on December 17, 2012, 02:51:06 AM
Merged as requested Greg.
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Greg. on December 17, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
Thank you Anne.
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: oyemicanto on February 09, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
Hello
If you look at the middle figure on the tray she is just like the lady flower frog by Mueller that sometimes comes in a bowl with 3 winged feet.Even down to the belt on her dress and the folds down the front of the skirt.Anyone else notice this?
Nige
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: John Smith on February 09, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
Well spotted Nige...

These sets are often desribed as being the "Egyptian Pattern," but there is nothing Egyptian about them.

The three 'pyramid' shapes are in fact a part of the landscape...
The Three Graces would perhaps be a better description... ????

Also, the trinket dish of this set has an intaglio profile of a MALE, unlike the other component pieces of this set.

These dishes are also lids of the pots upon certain examples of complete sets.
"COMPLETE" being a personal requirement at time of purchase,
as with like most so-called trinket sets, produced by most factories of the period... Walther included.

NYMPHEN and also PIERROT & PIERRETTE (for example) both had their trays introduced as stand-alone items and were made available long before any other component items for each were then produced...

John
 
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Jayne on February 28, 2014, 02:37:37 AM
An interesting read, I searched for the flower frog you refer to Nige and I see the strong resemblance. I also notice the Black Poppy site has the frog in the unusual green/blue shade (teal?) I have seen photos of the "Egyptian" / "Three Graces" Dressing Table Set in Teal as well.
Teal Frog
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/Miscellaneous_&_Unknown_-_Centrepieces_&_Frogs/fs_1619.jpg
Uranium Frog
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/Miscellaneous_&_Unknown_-_Centrepieces_&_Frogs/fs_1617.jpg

The Czech labels on the Uranium set on page 3 of this thread are not the same as the Czech label on Pamela's site (although I realise labels can change over time) but still this may be an indication that labels can't be relied upon as John said a few posts back.
Label
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/toilettenservice/02698.jpg
Pressglas
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html
Black Poppy site
http://www.black-poppy.co.uk/index.html
Lastly to add this set is on Anne's site as Mystery Set 2
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/cms15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95:mystery-set-2&catid=28:mysteries&Itemid=52
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Jayne on October 19, 2017, 01:40:12 AM
Thread here for merging please mods.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,23993.0.html

Four reasons why the "Egyptian" Figural Lady set may be by Schweig Muller.

1.
Hello
If you look at the middle figure on the tray she is just like the lady flower frog by Mueller that sometimes comes in a bowl with 3 winged feet.Even down to the belt on her dress and the folds down the front of the skirt.Anyone else notice this?
Nige

2. This set comes in the unusual Teal and very deep Turquoise shades as do other Muller pieces.

3. The Mystery Junior Miss set also comes in both of these unusual shades.

4.
Looking for an ID for this set I was struck by the similarities between the small pot in this set and the small pot in another unidentified set so called the Eygptian set....

I have also noticed the similarities in the Junior Miss pots and the pots in this set.

This Muller piece is worth a look

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=251716&image=687447946&images=687447918,687447933,687447946,687447981,687447966,687447999,687448019,687448039,687448061,687448082,687448097,687448113,687448125&formats=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0&format=0

GTS Mystery Set 2 Egyptian Figural Ladies Link
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5

GTS Mystery Set 170 Junior Miss Link
http://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=176
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 19, 2017, 06:24:28 AM
and that deep teal is uranium glass, which is very unusual
Title: Re: Art Deco Trinket/Dressing table set - Classical figures
Post by: Jayne on October 20, 2017, 02:06:08 AM
and that deep teal is uranium glass, which is very unusual


Indeed Christine.

2. This set comes in the unusual Teal and very deep Turquoise shades as do other Muller pieces.

I should have said Teal and very Deep Blue perhaps Zaffre?

Having looked through my image catalogue and at the GTS links etc. it seems the so called "Egyptian" Maiden/Lady set was made in 3 Blues; Light Blue, Azure and Deep Blue/Zaffre plus the Teal.

I've also seen it in Clear, Pink/Peach, Amber and Uranium Green.

I've also seen the "Junior Miss" set in all those colours.