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Title: Solifleur - Walther or Pukeberg? ID = Walther
Post by: POOLED70 on November 12, 2008, 05:45:05 PM
Hi

Can anybody clarify wether this solifleur vase I have is by Pukeberg or Walther as I cant seem to find conclusive evidence of either.

Thanks Dave
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 12, 2008, 06:12:07 PM
hi Dave!

definitely Walther. i´ve got a labelled one - not here though.

regards,
dirk
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 12, 2008, 06:29:29 PM
some more:

you find them with matted surface of the protruding part, too.
there also is a rectangular version of the same design.

http://cgi.ebay.de/VASE-WALTHER-DESIGN-KRISTALL-70er-RETRO-PANTON-167_W0QQitemZ150216286239QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150216286239&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229

Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 16, 2008, 08:48:28 AM
picked up this one yesterday...
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: POOLED70 on November 16, 2008, 07:58:32 PM
Hi Dirk

Thats nice, wish I could find another one myself. I believe they came in 3 sizes is this correct, mine is 11cm high.

Dave
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 16, 2008, 08:29:17 PM
there are three sizes i have - 14, 11 and (i guess) 8cm, but i know that
another round solifleur design was made in 4 sizes - maybe this one, too?
i see them on flea markets here regularly, but i began to like them
rather recently, so i don´t have any twice so far...

regards,
dirk
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Tigerchips on November 17, 2008, 09:18:54 AM
So how do you tell the difference between Pukeberg and Walther solifleur's?
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 17, 2008, 05:27:33 PM
TC, i´m not sure if i understand your question the right way. do you mean this very
vase or solifleurs generally?

in case you mean this one:
i´ve googled ´pukeberg solifleur´ and got several links with walther vases attributed
as pukeberg - looks like the usual internet-virus to me: ´no proof?-make something up!´

in general:
to answer this or state characteristic differences would be beyond my knowledge, i´m
afraid. i think we´ll have to decide for each design by a) label or b) documentation seperately.

regards,
dirk
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Tigerchips on November 17, 2008, 10:31:02 PM
This vase i mean.

Miller's Glass of the '50's & '60's shows the same vase attributed to Pukeberg (11cm high).
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 18, 2008, 05:59:04 AM
TC, i´ve got two of these with a walther label now.  :huh:
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Lustrousstone on November 18, 2008, 07:31:40 AM
I think we have to mark that attribution in Miller's as an error on the basis of Dirk's label
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Tigerchips on November 18, 2008, 09:12:31 AM
Oh!  :-\

... the one in the book has a matted surface, do any of the matted surface one's have Walther labels?
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 18, 2008, 04:42:26 PM
Christine, i´d agree - looks like the most likely theory to me. i don´t have
that miller´s book to compare though.

TC, sorry if i don´t get certain points straightaway. please mind, that english
is not my first language and i sometimes struggle with both understanding and
phrasing.  ::)

i don´t have the small vase, which is the second one with a label, here at the
moment. by memory i´d say it has a matted surface.
aswell there is not the slightest difference between the labelled 14cm vase and
the 11cm vases i´ve posted - clear and matted.
most convincing conclusion to me is, that these vases were actually made by
walther...

...unless we start a debate on Descartes, quantum physics, conspiracy theories... >:D
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Tigerchips on November 19, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you, just clarifying.

I'm just saying that it's possible that it was made by both companies, although i must admit it's probably unlikely in this case. A few glass items on this forum (i think) have been identical to each other and yet made by two different companies. I agree that since the Pukeberg and Walther labels are very similar that it may have been an error.
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on November 19, 2008, 05:37:13 PM
trying to clarify is what we´ve got in common.  :)

to be honest, i didn´t consider the possibility that both made it seriously.
does Miller´s give a hint, where they get their attribution from?
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: pamela on December 15, 2008, 10:06:43 PM
I dare to bumb this up  :kissy:
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Anne on December 15, 2008, 10:45:05 PM
Dirk, there's no source for that attribution in the book, but as the author, Nigel Benson, is a member of this board he may be able to add more to the discussion.
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on December 16, 2008, 05:57:44 AM
hope my comment didn´t sound too harsh!  :-X

as is said - i wasn´t aware of that attribution in nigel´s book  :sleep:
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: nigel benson on December 16, 2008, 11:58:39 PM
Hiya,

Just read this thread. The information on the vase at the time of Miller's Collecting 50's & 60's Glass going to press was that is was Pukeberg, however many labelled pieces have turned up since that say it is in fact Walther.

So, my apologies for creating what will now be something that will keep coming up as a misnomer :(

If I were able to put corrections into the books, believe me I would. Sadly, despite one's best efforts something will always get through :huh: :(  There are no plans for reprinting, so it won't get corrected that way either.

I will try and update the corrections in the 'sticky'.

Kind wishes, Nigel
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: dirk. on December 17, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
Nigel , thanks a lot for your comment! i´ve been taxing my brain for
alternative explanations...   
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: nigel benson on December 17, 2008, 09:12:24 PM
Hiya,

I've put the correction for the Millers book and Art Deco to Post Modernism into the Books errata sticky.

Again sorry for the brain scratching :huh:

Nigel
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: smokerstill on December 23, 2008, 09:22:42 AM
Heres another one:-) if anyone can help with the maker please? Didnt know if it was better to start a new topic or put it here:-)
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Pip on December 23, 2008, 09:55:45 AM
Walther ...
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: smokerstill on December 23, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Thankyou:-)
Title: Re: Walther or Pukeberg?
Post by: Pip on December 23, 2008, 11:19:39 AM
You're welcome  ;)