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Title: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on May 25, 2009, 10:37:02 AM
Can anyone who owns any of the Bagley Duchess powder pots help me by measuring them please? I have both the large and small pots in clear glass, and (thanks to Anne E.B.) a smaller size lid in blue. But..... the blue lid doesn't fit either size clear pot! It's much too small for the larger pot and is about 5mm / 1/2 cm too big to fit the smaller pot so I'm puzzled. If anyone has the smaller size pot in any colour could you please measure the diameter of the pot lid please and tell me what colour it is. Many thanks. :) (Pic attached to show which one the Duchess pot is.)
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Cathy B on June 22, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Maybe one's the Libochovicke Sklarny version, and the other is Bagley?

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,23138.msg130769.html#msg130769

Nice if you could find points of difference :)
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on June 22, 2009, 07:08:18 PM
Hi Cathy, I can't find any of the Duchess pieces in either of the two Libochovice catalogues I have looked through (1920s and 1950s). There is a similar style pot (which I also have an example of) by Rosice, but although there are similarities, they aren't the same. Unless we can turn up more Libochovice catalogues we can't confirm that the Duchess pattern was a Czech one originally.

The Bagley State pattern, however, does seem to be identical to the Libochovice one. 
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Cathy B on June 27, 2009, 02:01:47 PM
Interesting. Was Marcus mistaken, or is he privy to further information? Might it be worth resurrecting the linked thread for further clarification?
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on June 27, 2009, 11:19:09 PM
As I understand it Cathy, Marcus has info on State pattern not the Duchess one, but I may be wrong.  I was talking to Angela yesterday about Bagley and the Czech glassworks, she told me that she was told that Bagley sold some moulds to a Czech glassworks. This is something we need to follow up if we can to find out what and when.
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on July 18, 2010, 09:54:24 PM
The blue Duchess lid has migrated north to Cumbria (thanks Anne :kissy:) so I'm adding a picture of it for reference.

What's interesting is that, in Bowey, Parsons and Parsons, Bagley Glass, it is stated that the Duchess trinket set only came in clear... so where did the blue lid come from?
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Jayne on May 29, 2012, 10:26:21 PM
Anne, I have four small Duchess pot lids in clear, the measurement of all four from underneath (the outer edge of the inner rim) is 82mm, and I have two large pot lids in clear, which the same measurement is 97mm.

They are all what I would consider very good quality, and what I presume to be highly polished bases.

The only difference I can notice is that some are a more greyish colour, and some more creamy in colour.

Also I have noticed that the Bagley State tray and Libochovice equivalent seem to have different tray patterns, and the Libochovice tray has feet, where the Bagley one doesn't.
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on May 29, 2012, 10:34:46 PM
Jayne, thank you! I'll compare your sizes with my clear and my blue ones. Like yours the clear ones I have vary, from yellowy-clear to clearer-clear.     
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Jayne on May 29, 2012, 10:38:35 PM
Sorry Anne, I modified my message at the same time you must have been posting, more info added now about "State".

Glad to be of help re: the Duchess Pots. :)
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on May 29, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
The candlesticks are different too: the State candlestick isn't the one portrayed in the Libochovice catalogue with the pots/ringholder we see with the State set. The Bagley State candlestick is in the Libochovice catalogue as pattern 1886 (height = 110mm) whereas the one shown with the Lib. set is pattern 1881 (height = 136mm) - so was the 1886 a variant option I wonder?
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Jayne on May 29, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
Ohh interesting! I haven't seen the Libochovice portrayal, but will look more closely at the sticks in future.
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: agincourt17 on May 30, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
I have measured the lids of the two smaller clear Duchess pots that I have and can confirm that the external diameter of the projecting rim on my pots is also 82mm.
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on June 11, 2012, 12:43:38 PM
Fred, thank you, that's useful to know. I'm still searching boxes for mine to compare with.  :)
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Jayne on July 25, 2012, 12:20:34 AM
Anne here is a green Duchess lid on a Duchess Posy Vase. The Bagley book says it was sold with a flower frog and without the frog as a sugar bowl. It seems like the sugar had a lid, it would tie in with your blue one also. I have messaged the seller for the diameter of the rim.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150863998668
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Anne on July 25, 2012, 01:24:29 AM
Oooh now there's a thought! I read about the Duchess flower vase in Angela's book, and assumed it meant with flower holder = vase, without = sugar. It never occurred to me it might have had a lid too. Now I do have a Duchess flower vase with frog somewhere, so If I can remember which box the rogue lid is in I'll try them together and see how they work. The biggest problem is getting to my glass boxes just now, as they are over the far side of the spare bedroom, which is jammed full so I can't even get into the door!
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: Jayne on July 25, 2012, 01:47:24 AM
Good luck with that Anne! :D The lid looks like a good fit in the listing pic but it would be good for you to test it.
Title: Re: Bagley Duchess powder pots - help needed please
Post by: agincourt17 on July 28, 2012, 07:43:01 AM
'Permanent' image of the green lidded Bagley Duchess pot in case Jayne's ebay link ceases to function over time.

(Permission for re-use of this image on the GMB granted by lindar158)