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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: harveygillis on October 18, 2009, 07:11:56 AM

Title: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: harveygillis on October 18, 2009, 07:11:56 AM
Hi there,
please can some one identify the maker of this Czech vase
Thanks
Harvey
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on October 18, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
Hi looks like a skrodlovice glassworks piece, Maybe jan or emanuel beranek from  mark hills hills hi sklo-lo sklo book. Just from the general appearance someone more qualified will come along im sure nice looking thing what size and weight is it? dan :ac1:
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase
Post by: harveygillis on October 18, 2009, 08:42:28 AM
Hi there,
Thanks for your help with the vase
It weighs about2.5-3kg, it's21cm high and16cm wide
Thanks,
 
Harvey
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase
Post by: Jindra8526 on October 18, 2009, 04:17:25 PM
Skrdlovice, Czechoslovakia, Jan Kotik 1955,
pattern 5503

Jindrich
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Andy on October 18, 2009, 07:27:55 PM
Hi Harvey,
nice vase, for some nice examples of similar Skrdlovice, use the search facility on this board.
Cheers
Andy
 :D
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on October 18, 2009, 08:42:45 PM
Hi would this vase be similar or is the propeller vase ?
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on October 19, 2009, 01:04:48 AM
First, I've got to say: you lucky person!

The pattern number for the propellor vase is 5503/20, so this would be a propellor vase. I thought the vase was produced in a different colour (clear, tinged with amber) as shown in Ricke's  Czech Glass, p 218.

Jindrich, what colours does it come in?

David
Title: MOVED: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Cathy B on October 19, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Hi Harvey,

You can't advertise pieces for sale in Glass, so your post has been moved to Glass Market Place (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?board=4).

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=29639.0 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=29639.0)
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Jindra8526 on October 19, 2009, 03:23:57 PM
David,
this vase had been produced for many years in all Skrdlovice colours. The colour is not important - size +/- 2 cm also no problem. Becouse it is free hand hot shaped actually every single piece is a bit differnt from the other.

Jindrich
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on October 19, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Jindrich:

So this must be the 'Atlas' vase. I guess I'm confused by the pattern numbers for the the 'Atlas' vase and the 'Propeller' vase. Ricke in Czech Glass, p. 218, gives the same pattern number for the 'Propeller' vase as Hill, p. 50, gives for the 'Atlas' vase, 5503/20. Are both books correct?

The vase in this thread looked like an 'Atlas' vase, but when Dan asked if this were a 'Propeller' vase, I checked Ricke, and, going by the pattern number, which is usually the most reliable indicator, it was a 'Propeller.' I'd guess there is a pretty significant price difference between the two.

David
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Jindra8526 on October 19, 2009, 04:43:43 PM
This vase is pattern 5503/20 - "Vrtulova váza" (Propeller vase) in original.
Originaly designed in crystal in two sizes 20 and 16 cm.

Do not study Hill or Ricke in case of Skrdovice but simply ask Jindrich  ;D

J.


Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on October 19, 2009, 05:46:17 PM
Agreed, Jindrich. Now how do I get you on my bookshelf?

 Ricke quotes the Skrdlovice pattern book, so he agrees with you in term of pattern numbers. But I don't think the vase in this thread would be called a "Vrtulova váza" (Propeller vase).  Judging from the picture in Ricke, the picture of a "Vrtulova váza" I've seen elsewhere, and the descriptions in Hill and in Ricke, the 'Propeller' vase has heavier lobes and was clear glass with a yellowish tinge. However, if this is a "Vrtulova váza," what's the difference between it and an 'Atlas?' Is it only a matter of colour and production dates?

David



Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Sklounion on October 19, 2009, 07:37:08 PM
Rather depends on why one author, or another, referred to the item in terms of "Atlas". To my knowledge, and almost certainly Jindrich's, this vase, 5503, has only previously been referred to as a "propellor". Best asking Ricke or Hill, as to the variant names.

Again, it does have to be said that one should exercise great caution with these vases, as many, virtually identical items were produced by Aseda, from 1945. See this thread: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19903.0.html and this post,

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Ricke was right to suggest that Aseda made similar items. I have now discovered that Börne Augustsson designed what are known in Scandinavia as the “Börnevas", which look extremely similar.

Given 1950/60s Skrdlovice production levels, it is highly unlikely that all of these vases can be Skrdlovice production..... given the sheer volume floating around, much is likely to be Scandinavian production. Not, I am sure, what people want to hear, but a realistic appraisal. Sorry.

M
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on October 19, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
Thanks, Marcus. I remember the thread as I contributed to it. In it I explained that what I thought was my 'Propeller' vase was sold to me as designed by Börne Augustsson, whom you mention.  Is there a source for this or has anyone seen a vase with a label or a signature? I'm not doubting the information, I'd just like it for my records/research.

To sum up what I think we've got so far:

The name 'Atlas' seems to come from Mark Hill, and neither Marcus or Jindrich would use it.

Lots of companies made vases like this in and out of Czechoslovakia so don't get excited about their rarity, or, I presume, our ability to attribute precisely. (I reserve the right to say that I still love them, even if there's enough of them to fill the Great Lakes.)

David
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Andy on October 19, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
Hi all,
I love these nice heavy lumps as well  ;D

 (I reserve the right to say that I still love them, even if there's enough of them to fill the Great Lakes.)

David

Andy
 8)
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Jindra8526 on October 19, 2009, 09:01:22 PM
My very little skills are limited to Bohemian/Czechoslovak/Czech glass, so I cannot be absolutely sure, namely when I see the piece at picture and possible foreigner producers I do not take into account due to my national limitations.


I do not know who invented name Atlas, the name "Vrtulova" (propeller) is good translation of Czech comment in pattern book. Names, generaly, had not been used in glassfactory but according my personal oppinon had been invented later by Skloexport (Glassexport), so Skrdlovice sets like Cardinal, Diana, Blanka, Galaxy, Blue line, Pavucina (Spider-web), etc had not been designed and created in the same year and sometimes also not by same designer. Perhaps name "Atlas" was used and published by some sales person sometime somewhere.

This pucelas shaped vase, even it looks like Kotik's invention was introduced to Skrdlovice fabrication much sooner by Emanuel Beranek, Jan Broz, Rudolf Beranek and Jindrich Beranek as well. Kotik as the artist had found the appropriate proportions and from normal pucelas shaped design had made famous and extraordinary shape. Please not not change Kotik's 5503 with Jan Beranek's 5988. This my requirement is extremaly hard to satisfy, becouse these very popular shapes had been produced for almost 60 years in much variations.

Just a private notice, Marcus, my friend and brother in arms, you are expected at birthday party in my pub on Saturday. 24th October.

Jindrich

Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on October 19, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
Jindrich:

Thanks for that explanation. That seems a good place to end it for me.

David
Title: Re: Please Help identify Czech Vase - ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Sklounion on October 20, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
PM,
Jindrich, the propellor turns, on the Vltava and Labe rivers, but not always in the direction we would like......
Sorry, my friend, but life says, I will not be there in body, despite my desire.....
You take care, have a good party, take care of Sonia, and the girls......
And drink one too many Kozel, and Becherovka, and remember, it will never be forgotten....wherever you and I are.
Zivot je pes....
Tvuj bratr,
M