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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Paul S. on February 21, 2010, 04:20:29 PM

Title: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 21, 2010, 04:20:29 PM
something from a very early and cold Sunday morning, which I am thinking is possibly Bagley or Davidson (Christine?).    This is what I call the 'oily green uranium', almost a sort of yellowish green.     As you can see, unlike some of the Davidson material where there is a slot headed screw attaching the base to the glass, this one has only a stub of glass which protrudes thru into the metal base and is held in place by a mastic/adhesive.     It glows beautifully and is not something I have seen before.    I really like the piece, and hope someone can tell me which factory and give a date guide -  although I assume around 1930 - 1940.     thanks for looking, Paul S.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Anne on February 21, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
That *is* nice Paul, and not something I've seen before. It puts me in mind of the petals vases which are somewhere on the board, but not close enough I suspect.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 23, 2010, 12:35:23 PM
S. Reich I believe and a sugar bowl probably rather than a dessert bowl. I have some bits in this pattern and I'll post pix later, if i have any
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 23, 2010, 02:28:29 PM
thank you for the identification  -  am sure you are more correct with the 'sugar' description than my thoughts of a dessert bowl.     Look forward to seeing any pics. if you do have them.     I have been thru Pamela's images, although was unable to see this particular piece.          Paul S.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 23, 2010, 03:04:27 PM
however, think I now see the design, which occurs in two pieces  -  one a box and the other a vase.     As you say, S. Reich.    Paul S. 
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: UKGLASS on February 23, 2010, 04:39:11 PM
Hi Paul
Yes definately S Reich (c1936) but I was a bit thrown seeing the chrome mount as I dont recal seeing any Reich items mounted like this.  After trolling through my reference paperwork I can confirm this was originnaly a two piece item, the lid looking something similar to the base and the complete thing looking something like a cabbage (not like the ones done by Portieux I hasten to add).  Looks like someone has done a marriage with a chrome base, maybe the lid was broken....that said id rather have it on my table than a modern one.
UKGLASS
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 23, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
thanks for your comments UKGLASS.     I did in fact go back to Pamela's site as a result of Christine's comments, and found what I believe is the design on something that Pamela calls a 'box'.    This is a free standing (no plinth or metal base) piece, which has a lid in cabbage rose type design (the body of the piece showing just the outer petals as in a rose bud).    As for my 'sugar' I am convinced it was made originally as you now see it  -  and if Christine is correct, then of course it wud never have had a lid  -  from memory it doesn't have any lip or rim as you might expect in a lidded piece.    However, maybe we need to think more about this one, but I do think it is quite genuine the way it looks.   Agree with you that it is a very nice piece tho  -  cost me 75p. :)     Paul S.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: UKGLASS on February 23, 2010, 09:38:49 PM
Hi Again Paul
Scan attached from Reichs catalogue, hope its of some help
UK GLASS
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 24, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
There's a whole range of stuff in this pattern. I think I've seen a pink one on a chrome stand (and it's not an uncommon form; I saw a Walther piece done in the same way at the weekend). I have two violet vases, or maybe egg cups: one in the lovely Reich uranium jade and one in frosted and matt green uranium. I also have a grapefruit dish in jade, which has a lovely row of roses on the outside of the upturn of the saucer. The grapefruit can just be seen in the pic.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 24, 2010, 10:47:11 AM
my sincere thanks to both of you for your help - where wud we be withough people prepared to share their knowledge and expertise.    Anyway, I must look out for some more pieces in this design.   Wud just comment that the mastic must have been a quality product to have lasted this long.   Paul S.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 24, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
What's usually used is plaster of Paris. Are you sure it's mastic?
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on February 24, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
oopps.......the short answer is no, and as you may imagine I was using the term in a general sense :-[.    If they are secured with P. of P. usually, then I'm sure mine is also.     However, I won't pick at it to see, because 'if you pick it then it will never get better'.    thanks again for correcting my error. Paul S. (I really am trying to improve, honestly!)
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: pamela on February 25, 2010, 10:32:37 PM
hi UK GLASS,
I think you should indicate the of www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de when issuing a snap shot of "Reich's catalogue 'Sammlung Stopfer'", unless you are Siegmar Geiselberger yourself??

Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: UKGLASS on February 25, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
I thought the pic may be of help to a fellow board member & as Siegmar sent me copies of the catalogues to assist others I feel sure he wouldnt object....... I think it  vanished into British because the initial enquiry was if the item may have been Bagley. :thup:
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Anne on February 26, 2010, 02:36:30 AM
It was actually posted into here by Paul initially as he thought it might be English. It's not been moved at all yet. It will now be relocated to the proper place. ;)

UKGLASS, we welcome all info you have to share but if you post scans from other sources please accredit them accordingly, and please don't post anything which is subject to copyright without the permission of the copyright holder, as the board's policy forbids those and they'll be removed by one of the Mods.
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Anne on July 25, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
One (incorrectly?) described as Jobling here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110919860523
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: pamela on July 25, 2012, 06:17:55 PM
Anne, that's lovely and a must for my collection! So if the seller agreed to post abroad, I'd like to go for it if nobody else would like it more, please?
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on July 25, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
best of luck Pamela, hope you are successful. :)            I suspect it's the similarity with Jobling's 'jade' - which is a lighter and brighter green than Davidson product of the same name  -  that has prompted the apparent mis-attribution here.   Do let us know if you 'win' :)         
Title: Re: id please for u. desert bowl
Post by: Paul S. on July 26, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
obviously not firing on all cylinders...............it might have been more useful had I said that Jobling 'Jade' fluoresces - as does this small bowl (Davidson 'Jade' did not include uranium dioxide)..............also that Jobling did produce a pattern called 'Rose', and it's most likely that this latter fact is where the confusion has arisen.