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Title: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 14, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
Hi, I bought this today.  It has a real FLUID look to it....looks lopsided...but balanced.  From some angles it looks weird, but then from other angles it does not.  Very, very heavy piece.  Looks made well.  Glass is a nice Green color, and the base looks like it has some wear....so I do think it has *some* age to it.  Thought (maybe) Chalet.......but not sure.  Any idea?

Size:
8 inches long
6 inches Wide
4 inches High

Please excuse my description -- but .... lol.  Catchy TITLE, eh?
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 14, 2010, 09:01:38 AM
Now the other pics that make it look unbalanced.....even though NOT -- lol

Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: dirk. on March 14, 2010, 09:03:40 AM
Hi,
the colours rather look Czech to me, Skrdlovice perhaps?
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 14, 2010, 09:17:22 AM
Hi Dirk... Thanks for the reply.
I did some googling here after you mentioned that name -- and I see what you mean.  While I was doing that - was referred back to here (glass Gallery) about a booklet.  (Sort) of looks like the one in the top left corner of this booklet.....(??)

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=400&pos=5
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: dirk. on March 14, 2010, 09:32:24 AM
Looks at least related I´d say. There would still be a few minutes left to add ´Czech?´
to your subject-line...   (to get the more knowledgable people having a look)  ;)
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 14, 2010, 10:24:12 AM
Oooops - missed the deadline to add Czech to topic.  Maybe the MOD can ADD the word CZECH into the Topic line TO:  Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) Very Fluid CZECH ?.  Since you are pretty sure it is.  I am happy to know too.

Thank you very much
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Andy on March 14, 2010, 10:58:40 AM
Ah Hah,  so your title wasnt catch enough !  ;D
I agree with Dirk, those colours are very very Skrdlovice, Ive a few quite similar shapes,
but not quite. I will have a look, Jindrick will know instantly if he pops in,
you need Skrdlovice in the header,
Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: jonchellycain on March 14, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
Hi there
yep definatly czech, i would normally say Baranek for skrdlovice, but currently there is debate as to if it is or not, many vases coming up and pieces all in similar styles and colours but nothing marked or stickered which you would expect at least one to be.
 I know Jindrich believes they are definatly Skrdlovive, but Robert (boBo) is not sure (both of which are czech glass experts and very knowledgable.
Definatly a debate to watch and hope we find proof one way or another.
I will add a link to the earlier debate
By the way there is a vase in the exact same colours as this piece on ebay, ive added it as a link somewhere in that thread. I had one early last year almost identical which was sold at the time as Jan Baranek skrdlovice and made very good money.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32331.0.html
all the best
michelle
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 14, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
Just bought it....for $10 - so I guess worth more than that .... :hiclp: So I did OK then?  ALSO -- do they Glow under light?  Just wondering??

Thanks
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2010, 11:58:12 AM
Hi Rose,
heres a few of mine in the same colour, also got some blue and purple ones.
These dont glow, although, i seem to remember some some do, i think the very large bowl i gave
away to my sister a few years ago, before i knew what it was! glows, i visited it yesterday and
gave it a clean for her :D I want to try and swop it one day , cos i want it back now .
They are Jan Beranek Skrdlovice, c 1959, im 99% yours is Skrdlovice,possibly a different range.
Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: bOBA on March 15, 2010, 12:42:44 PM
I agree with Andy, this is a Skrdlovice design, but it is difficult to assign a specific designer at the moment.
This bowl is quite different from the other tall vases we have been discussing, where the bowl version of those vases, where the vases have cuts in the lip of the vase, the bowls also have the cut. 




Robert bOBA
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2010, 04:27:13 PM
Hi Robert,
you are so much more organised than me ;)
I get confused with all the Skrdlovice threads, ive just been through them and this one,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19903.0.html
Jindrich says Beranek , 1959 and shows a photo of an attributed one, but i know information is
always changing and youve been keeping much more up to date than me ::)
Is there some doubt over the Beranek attribution?
(the ones with the cut in the top, feel a little different to me, id agree with some doubt over the factory)
Cheers
Andy
 
( oh also this thread with Emmis vase, Jindrich confirms Beranek pattern 5988/30 c 1958
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30424.0.html
same as two vases in myy photo 2 posts up! ) )
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Jindra8526 on March 15, 2010, 04:52:08 PM
Boba is true,
it is very hard to extimate designer, the top view and exact dimensions should help us to get our estimation closer.
I would tend to say Jaroslav Beranek and the piece from set "Andromeda" becouse this set was very popular so I would expect to see that pieces abroad and more often than other designs.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo

Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Jindra8526 on March 15, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
sorry I am blind, I see the dimensions even in inches :-)
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2010, 05:00:23 PM
I was thinking its more spiral , like 'Andromeda'
 ;D
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: bOBA on March 15, 2010, 05:03:19 PM
Re. Jindrich post:

I agree that this bowl of Antique Rose's is certainly Skrdlovice 1950's, a lovely piece.

Re. Andy's above post: No doubt on these Andy as Jindrich says yours are Jan Beranek design from 1958 - pattern 5988/30.
The previous thread this week was concerning the ones with the cut top (and some similar tall vases without a cut which you have only one of that Michelle used for the Sklo group shot on facebook for a while etc...) It was just my point concerning the cut top vases especially that Skrdlovice seemed unlikely, which you agree with "and the jury is still out" on these since documented evidence of any kind is not fully convincing.


All the others that you mention are, as Jindrich previously said, Jan Beranek design from 1958 - pattern 5988/30, I would agree, the proof is in many places,

all these vases it gets confusing, I was trying to keep things simple....


Robert bOBA
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?)
Post by: Andy on March 15, 2010, 05:07:20 PM
Cheers Robert,
one day i will get around to cataloguing my bits, rather than just using the fading braincells
 ;D
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on March 17, 2010, 07:09:27 AM
Rose:

A nice piece. There are quite a number of Czech pieces around antique/junk/collectible stores in Canada, and often at a real bargain price. Somebody imported them in the 50's early 60's and then they were forgotten. They're often sold as Chalet or Murano. They're more fluid, less pointy, and usually more muted colours than Chalet  That's a good start to a grouping.

David
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 18, 2010, 03:31:20 AM
Hi there:  Would this piece be from what era?  60's? or so....

Rose:
A nice piece. There are quite a number of Czech pieces around antique/junk/collectible stores in Canada, and often at a real bargain price. Somebody imported them in the 50's early 60's and then they were forgotten. They're often sold as Chalet or Murano. They're more fluid, less pointy, and usually more muted colours than Chalet  That's a good start to a grouping.
David

I wonder if BIRKS (Canada) imported them, as I believe that they had also imported Murano Glass too, being a higher end store??

I have just learned something here (Thank You ALL) -- and I believe I *might* have a another piece to post shortly.  I had taken a guy's card at the Antique show.  You are right, this other piece I am going to be buying NOW from this guy had said to me that (this other piece) was Murano.  That is why I did not buy it then at the show -- because I did not think it was.  I thought I would take a chance on this piece for the $10 that it costed me, and leave the other piece still with him.

So now after learning about this piece of glass - I am buying the other one now.  I think it is like one that Andy had posted here (tall and knobby). 
 :thup: 
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: langhaugh on March 18, 2010, 03:45:28 AM
Rose: 

Birks is a possibility. They have started selling Murano again, BTW.  A bit beyond my budget, though. Eaton's is a possibility and there was a store in Vancouver that sold a wide range of European glass.

Also, if you're wondering if you're paying too much, do a search on UK eBay for Skrdlovice.

David
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 18, 2010, 09:59:09 AM
YIKES... :o

The other different piece he wanted $25 for it, and was calling it Murano (which I did not think it was) so that is why I did not buy it....(AND IF I recall correctly) it is like the tall, knobby one like Andy had posted in this topic.

I better go and GRAB that other one too -- for only $25 !!!  

Will post when I get it - - - <...goes running....>
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Andy on March 18, 2010, 10:39:09 AM
Not if i get there first  :24:

" TAXI "

 ;D
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on March 18, 2010, 08:57:11 PM
Not if i get there first  :24:

" TAXI "

 ;D


 :24: Ha - Your in the UK, I am closer to it....  ;D <...Still running to get it....>
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: bOBA on March 29, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
This thread kind of turned into two or three, partly my fault.....
But the main thread was the bowl which most agreed was certainly Skrdlovice.
The discussion switched to another vase and I posted a blue bowl and vase, over which there was some discussion, see earlier in the thread.

We have seen many of these vases and they have been difficult to attribute with certainty because they have never turned up with labels. (Except import-export labels, not linked to the manufacturer. I am just posting to say that a labelled one has appeared on ebay.de. item number 260576910307.
 The label (according to Langhamer's list at the back of his book, is the label of MOSER n.p. Karlovy Vary, since 1966 .... not Skrdlovice) not proof exactly but if another turns up with a similar label I will be personally quite convinced and I am half conviced by this label already,

Robert (bOBA)
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Andy on March 30, 2010, 12:21:02 PM
Interesting Robert.
That ones got just one cut in the top , and one colour.
Being a doubting old Hector, has the sticker always been on the vase?
But its getting closer.
Cheers
Andy
 ;D
(actually his description is probably easier, /Beranek/Union/Exbor/Mstisov/Sklo/Vizner/Zemek  :24:  )
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: bOBA on March 30, 2010, 02:59:15 PM
Thx for the reply Andy. I think you can just make out another cut on the rim on the left hand side, but the way the vase is positioned makes it hard to see. I have seen these in single colour before but I agree it is unusual. If the sticker had been made in Venice I would have had more doubts like Hector!!!! But on sale from Germany and the seller not knowing what the label is, it seems the seller certainly did not move the label, maybe somebody previously did though, it is possible I suppose but I doubt it really likely, I would choose a more clearly recognisably expensive tag to decieve.... but possible, which is why I am half convinced and also look forward to the next labelled example breaking ranks!!

Robert
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Andy on March 30, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
Thats a good point, he had no idea of vase or sticker!
Im half convinced myself now
 ;)
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 24, 2010, 08:08:17 PM
Hi there, I need Help......

How much Green Glow does an item have to have to be Uranium??  This seems to be as *Bright* as the other -- so how do I decipher this one out to be?

Help ?? Why the Bright Green here too ?? :-\
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 25, 2010, 06:23:14 AM
Hi there, I need Help......

How much Green Glow does an item have to have to be Uranium??  This seems to be as *Bright* as the other -- so how do I decipher this one out to be?  Help ?? Why the Bright Green here too ?? :-\


Maybe I have found *some* of MY own answers.....but still would like the Board opinion on this piece of (Skrdlovice) glass that I have that seems to have a Glow too....  Thanks

http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_123_127&products_id=1828
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=34347.0
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 25, 2010, 06:26:38 AM
Yes, some of the Skrdlovice contains uranium too. Not the Chribksa though.
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 25, 2010, 07:29:05 AM
Yes, some of the Skrdlovice contains uranium too. Not the Chribksa though.

Thanks Lustrousstone -- so Would you say this piece of mine contains Uranium, in your opinion?

thanks
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 25, 2010, 08:19:10 AM
Yes,  that was what I meant.
Title: Re: Glass -- on Drugs (?) ID = Skrdlovice
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 25, 2010, 08:32:37 AM
Yes,  that was what I meant.

 :hiclp: :hiclp: See I would have never known that, and how the UV light helped

Thanks Lustrousstone  :kissy: