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Title: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: kocoma on June 07, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
Hi,

yesterday I bought this stunning bowl, signed on the base.
Graal / Orrefors 1926 / KB 3035 Hald.

I don't have any clue about scandinavian glass, but I like it :)

Can anyone tell me something about the design?

Overall in good condition.
Only too bad that the black applied foot has 2 cracks.

What do you think about the value of a damaged piece?

Thanks for all!  :)

(http://www.kocoma.com/wp-content/gallery/unknown/hald.jpg)
(http://www.kocoma.com/wp-content/gallery/signatures/orrefors.jpg)
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: aa on June 07, 2010, 10:31:30 PM
 I think this is a very rare "heartbeat" item. WOW!

You would need to get this appraised by a serious auction house to get an idea of value.
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: a40ty on June 08, 2010, 05:04:36 AM
Agree..  you need an experienced auction house for this one.
It's truly beautiful and I'm not at all envious, not one bit  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
( where did you find it? )
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: langhaugh on June 08, 2010, 06:27:57 AM
Kokomo:

My jaw fell open at this one. Spectacular! The year on it, 1926, is supported by the numbering, and KB means that the work was done by Knut Bergqvist following a design by Edward Hald. You can't get more iconic than that. Yes, do need a major auction house for an accurate evaluation of this one. I still dream, one day....

Congratulations.

David
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: johnphilip on June 08, 2010, 06:31:16 AM
See Orrefors glass by Alastair Duncan page 109 looks the same bowl but marked model 3055 1927 . Fabulous . jp
collection Von  Bartha  ,Basel
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: aa on June 08, 2010, 06:45:27 AM
Some of Hald's graal works were repeated for many years - in particular the fish bowls (mainly green) and the spiral design (usually blue/black or blue/pale yellow). However, so far as I know this does not apply to this design. Useful that JP has found a reference, because it is extremely rare. (Which could be another way of saying "I've never seen one before!" It would be interesting to know what Bill Geary's view is.
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: culverwood on June 08, 2010, 09:51:19 AM
WOW   :hiclp:
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: kocoma on June 08, 2010, 11:46:49 AM
Thanks for your replies :)

There was an ad in online marketplace in Germany, not ebay.
I drove a long way to pick up the bowl.
First I wanted to give her 100 Euros for it.
But she did not say anything about the damage on the telephone.
Now I got the bowl and a small Poli sommerso vase for 40 Euros. :)

She has no clue about glass. The bowl was from her grandma from Sweden...

Can you advise some books of scandinavian art glass?

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Bill G on June 09, 2010, 07:19:01 AM
Let me join in the chorus - WOW!

As for an appraisal, let me recommend Helena Smedberg at the Bukowski Auktionhouse in Stockholm.
I think their address is www.bukoskis.se

This auction house holds two auctions each year called Moderna and the Swedish glass offered for sale is spectacular.

Their reputation with me is superb as we have had dealings since 1985.

As an aside, the fish graal in green, white and purple by Edward Hald was produced in quantities of over 20,000.

Bill Geary
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: aa on June 09, 2010, 08:11:49 AM


It's good to have Bill's confirmation. Also his advice about http://www.bukowskis.se/

It will be very interesting to learn what they have to say about it.

As to valuation - well, I think you may have quite a nice profit on your outlay!  :rn:
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: kane_u_pain on June 10, 2010, 07:56:50 AM
Lovely bowl...any chance of seeing the Poli piece???  :-[
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: langhaugh on June 10, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
With regard to books on Scandinavian glass,there was, as usual, a very informative thread on the topic on GMB recently. It's at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34071.msg184421.html#msg184421


David
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: taylog1 on June 12, 2010, 09:14:46 AM
Johnphillip,

Good spot ! If you check page 107 (top), you'll see both the bowl on page 109 (which is a slightly different shape) and this exact bowl design side by side.

Kocoma, they are described as being in the Collection von Bartha, Basel - might be worth you dropping them a line. (jp, apols, after typing I see you'd already mentioned this)

Gareth
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: aa on June 12, 2010, 09:34:46 AM
http://www.vonbartha.com/

Add a couple of zeroes! LOL :rn:
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Bonsaismurf on June 13, 2010, 08:53:26 PM
Another person worth sending an email to regarding value is Bo Knutsson:

www.boknutsson.com/

He has several items by Hald and Gate and only deal with the best items.

Best Regards
Emil
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: pekoe02 on June 14, 2010, 12:25:30 AM
It looks to be a nice bowl but there are several things not quite right about the signature of this bowl. Normally S Graal indicates Simon Gate as the designer. KB is the monogramme for Knut Bergquist and normally the engraver would also monogramme it. In 1926 this was most usually HW for Heinrich Wollman. However in this case Hald has been added rather crudely I think when you compare it to the style of the other monogrammes. Also the number of the piece does not appear to correspond to 1926. So I have questions about it.
The crack in the base may be a tension crack resulting from the different cooling rates of the glass of the base from the glass of the bowl.
I would certainly concur that you should try Bukowskis, I would suggest Eva Seeman, you could also try Malin Rebessi at Stockholms Auktionsverk. I am doubtfull that the piece would exite Bo Knuttsons interest because of the damage on it.
If the piece was perfect and the signature right, I would expect it to make possibly 60,000 - 80,000 Swedish Crowns at auction in Sweden. However with the damage and the questionable signature I think that a valuation of about 25% of that is indicated, maybe less.
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: pekoe02 on June 14, 2010, 12:40:01 AM
I've checked the numbering of this bowl again and it does correspond to the production in 1926. But I remain unconvinced about the signature.
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: langhaugh on June 14, 2010, 01:27:13 AM
Pekoe:

I can understand your concerns about the damage. However, I'm not sure I quite understand your concerns about the signature. Do you doubt that Hald designed it? That seems unlikely given the close similarity between this bowl and the bowl pictured on p. 109 of Duncan. Is it the ligature of S to G? Wickman's Orrefors  says that this "usually means" designed by Gate, but also shows an example if the S over the G on a piece designed by Hald.  Wickman also has Berqqvist working until 1928, so that is OK.

I don't know enough to say whether you are right or wrong, so I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm simply trying to trying to understand your concerns.

David
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Bonsaismurf on June 14, 2010, 01:45:27 PM
I am doubtfull that the piece would exite Bo Knuttsons interest because of the damage on it.

True, but he'd know what it's worth.

Best Regards
Emil
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: pekoe02 on June 14, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
Hello David,
My concerns about the signature are that it is rather unlike signatures on Swedish thinwalled Graal that I have seen before. However the pieces I've seen before are all from 1917 to about 1921. At that time the signatures were more flowing and confident with for example a pronounced serif to the start of the down stroke of KB.

However I've done a little more research on this. Heinrich Wollmann died in 1923 and after that Orrefors stopped putting the monogramme of the engraver on the pieces. I see from 'Orrefors 100' a signature from 1925 that is quite similar to this one, and Ulrika Ruding says that somtimes Hald was written in full rather than the initials EH or Hd.
So maybe the signature is OK.
I don't know the size of this piece and we can't compare it with the sizes in Duncan/von Bartha because they are not indicated, but the proportions appear similar.
Looking again at the cracks in the base I no longer think that is a tension crack which would be smoother, it is most likely damage.
My estimate last night of the selling price at auction is assuming a fairly large size, but I don't know this. The similarity with pieces from the von Bartha collection would help the price somewhat. Though I think it likely that Bukowskis or Auktionsverk would want to put it with an estimate of SeK 4,000. I would be interested to know their estimate as to value.

Geoff
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: langhaugh on June 14, 2010, 02:39:53 PM
Geoff:

Thanks for the explanation. I'm at the stage in collecting where a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, so I appreciate the details you've added.

David
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: pekoe02 on June 14, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
Hello again David
Knut Bergqvist was the real inventor of the Graal technique in 1916. He was one of the first taken on at Orrefors in August 1914 after Ekman bought the glassworks. He worked at Orrefors until some time in 1929 when he set up on his own at a little glassworks nearby called Lindefors. This is recorded in Agnes Hellner's diary. KB as a 'Gaffer' was a very important member of Orrefors' staff.
Unfotunately for KB Lindefors folded mainly as a result of the great depression in 1930 and was taken over by Edward Stromberg in 1933, thereafter becoming Strombergshyttan.

Geoff
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: kocoma on June 15, 2010, 01:20:07 PM
Thank you for all your responses and sorry for my late response.  :)

I am at the work at the moment and will post the dimensions this evening.
I think the width is approx. 25 cm.

The seller I bought the piece from was trustful to me.
So I don't have doubts.
The crack is from one to the other side of the foot.
It looks like the foot was dismantled and repaired.

I have contacted Bukowskis. Ms. Seeman believes that it would reach a price of approx. 4-5000SEK.

It is a great bowl and I think I will not sell it. The damage is invisible if the bowl is standing.

Possibly I will start to collect scandinavian glass, too. :)
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: kocoma on June 15, 2010, 07:45:49 PM
Here the dimensions:
Ø 25cm
Height: 10cm

 :)
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Bell on June 26, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
Hald is the designer of this graal, not Simon Gate! S/Graal is just a trade-mark, registered on April 17, 1917.
This trade-mark was also used on graals designed of Knut Bergqvist himself, example Graal number 3: http://www.fotosidan.se/blogs/graal-blog/index.htm?date=2008-01-01. 
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 29, 2011, 09:10:16 AM
Bell, thank you very much indeed for this information.
Sincere apologies for this being so late.
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: sph@ngw on September 29, 2011, 04:10:59 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDWARD-HALD-ORREFORS-FISH-GRAAL-EXTREMELY-RARE-/19037776642
T1ere is an Edward Hald "Fish Bowl" in green for sale on eBay at present for US$1,200!
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 29, 2011, 04:23:45 PM
Not any more, there isn't!  :ooh:
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Daniel S on September 30, 2011, 07:38:24 PM
for some reason I can't see the pics. Can you repost so I can see the damage?
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Frank on September 30, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Can be seen on posters blog http://kocoma-collection.blogspot.com/ under Scandinavian
Title: Re: Edvard Hald Graal bowl for Orrefors, 1926
Post by: Daniel S on September 30, 2011, 09:13:58 PM
yea but not the damage