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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: taylog1 on December 20, 2005, 05:17:40 PM

Title: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: taylog1 on December 20, 2005, 05:17:40 PM
I wonder if anyone can help me identify this bowl ?

(http://tinypic.com/iwk8ih.jpg) (http://tinypic.com/iwk6mu.jpg)

(click on image for larger pic)

The vase is quite thick walled. It's 4" tall and 4 1/2" wide.

I've only ever seen two (both Ebay - this and one a year later). Neither were signed. There is a small piece of white frit (?) in the glass, but not enough in my opinion to make it a second. Very similar to some pieces of Orrefors, and also Skruf.

Thoughts anyone - and why someone would make something so beautiful and not sign it !

taylog1
Title: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: paradisetrader on December 21, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
I find the piece quite fascinating and didn't know this would be classed as Ariel.

Orrefors quality control was extremely fussy. Frit in the glass would be enough I think to mark it as a second.  

Bill Geary in previous postings mentioned that Kosta seconds would not be signed - I would guess the same goes for Orrefors. I don't know about Skruf but the same rule wouldn't surprise me.

I hope this helps
Title: Ariel glass
Post by: Bill G on December 22, 2005, 06:23:32 PM
This is ariel glass. The artist has cut a set design on the blank before the
overlay.
The thick top leads me to Strombergshyttan but cannot id the design.
Orrefors historically did not sign the seconds sold in the company store.
It was my understanding the seconds were only sold at the company store at Orrefors and had a green label. They started a new colored label for seconds in 2000 which I must check out.
God Jul och Gott Nytt Ã…r.
Title: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: taylog1 on December 23, 2005, 04:15:21 PM
Thanks for the help. The top isn't cut flat (if that helps), looks to have been pressed flat when still soft.

I've attached a picture of the base, the pontil is concave, but there isn't any flat bit, ie just an edge if that makes sense.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/taylog1/base.jpg)

I've got some bits of ariel - both Orrefors and Afors, and some Skruf thalatta, my first thought was that it felt closer to Skruf (you can feel the shape of the bubbles on the inside in a couple of places), but I can see some resemblance to Afors also (but not as thick).

However the closest piece visually I've seen to it is the Vattenlek Orrefors bowl on page 70 of Bill's book (Scandinavian Glass - creative energies).  
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/taylog1/GH194-1.jpg)

What I do find most puzzling though is that I've never seen a signed one in 5 years of scouring the Internet and Ebay - two seconds but no signed pieces feels a bit unlikely to me - but happy to be proved wrong.

Happy Christmas

taylog1
Title: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: taylog1 on March 26, 2006, 01:49:16 PM
I might have just found the answer - Pukeberg:

http://www.designonline.se/ProductDetails.aspx_InnerCatalog_Trademark_InnerCategory_Pukeberg_InnerProduct_2068_Image_img1

what do we think ?


taylog1
Title: Ariel glass
Post by: Bill G on March 29, 2006, 02:19:39 PM
The ariel work at Pukeberg is done by a young glass blower artist
Micke Johannson. He was a young master at Orrefors and left them to
go to Pukeberg Glass Works where he now works with Wilke Adolpsson
who recently retired from his own studio.
This is contemporary glass - 2004 2005. Micke and I went to Orrefors Glass School in 1989 -1990. At 13, he could make the glass dance and today is quite accomplished for a young man.

I still think the work is from the old Strömbergshyttan glass works.
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: Anne on December 21, 2008, 03:13:22 PM
Hi Gareth, your images have been munched - can you restore them back into this topic please? :)
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: taylog1 on March 14, 2009, 08:21:19 AM
Anne,

Have uploaded 2 pics so they shouldn't disappear in the future.


Gareth
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: Anne on March 14, 2009, 10:15:12 PM
That's super, thanks Gareth. :)
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: karoop on March 25, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
Hi,

I'm with Bill G on this.... attached is a pic of one of my Stromberg vases, model no: B1174 ~ I think, its very hard to read.

My vase shows very similar circular Ariel inclusions as the unsigned bowl, so could be from the same range?

cheers

Karoop

Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: Ivo on March 26, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
By coincidence I found a picture of the "Abina" vase, designed by Jan Johansson for Orrefors in 1998 in a magazine* article by Lesley Jackson.

Quote
...he has given a dynamic contemporary twist to the Ariel technique by creating tooled air patterns of crescents and rings

I googled and presto: http://aurora.sunderland.ac.uk/gateway_to_glass/htmlsite/h_journal_refereed_swedishglass3.htm which seems to be identical to my recent find - except for the absence of colour. So now I'm no longer convinced it is Pukeberg...   The plit thockens!

*Antique dealer and Collectors Guide, October 200: "Collecting Orrefors"

Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: langhaugh on March 27, 2009, 06:22:57 AM
Ivo: Thanks for the reference to Gateway to Glass: great pics and a useful article.

I'd noticed the similarity of the crescents and moons on your piece to the Jan Johansson piece. One is pictured in Orrefors: A Century of Swedish Glassmaking, p. 153. However, it states that they were made as part of an Expo edition (of either 100 or 200 pieces) in dark blue, green or amber. No clear.

David
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: langhaugh on April 22, 2009, 06:03:39 AM
And to further complicate, there's this piece on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130300841004

David

Moderator: Incredibly long and complex link shortened. ;)
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 22, 2009, 06:43:31 AM
That, I think judging from the text, is this one http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,25917.msg143293.html#msg143293 although without any acknowledgement of any help with possible ID received on here!
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: taylog1 on April 22, 2009, 05:53:21 PM
Just to add that Reijmyre also used the bubble technique in the 50], a vase and bowls; clear with a green stripe running around.

Gareth
Title: Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
Post by: Anne on April 23, 2009, 02:22:48 PM
That, I think judging from the text, is this one http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,25917.msg143293.html#msg143293 although without any acknowledgement of any help with possible ID received on here!

It is indeed, Christine.