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Title: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on November 20, 2010, 09:37:29 PM
I don't have much success with finding the real thing, and tend to steer clear of the odd piece thinking it's probably Chinese anyway  - but took a punt on this one for the following reasons...........
up close it has wear in suitable places.......has ground/polished concave pontil mark.....the underside of foot has very clear 'wear ring' typical of 1930 - 1940 period.......has a feint but noticable iridescence over the whole outer surface......quite a reasonable 'ding' when struck...........only cost me £7. Sterling, which wouldn't be the end of the world if I've got it wrong.     About 135mm/5.25 inches high.        So now I hope Ivo doesn't say it was made in Cairo last year, and fingers crossed I might have it right this time
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: keith on November 20, 2010, 09:45:19 PM
Not an expert but think you may have struck gold there Paul,hope so :hiclp: :thup: ;D,very like the one's in the book.
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on November 20, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
thanks Keith - I'd give you a kiss if you were nearby, sailor - you definitely now get the 'blue coach' pin tray.   I've only got back home this evening, so haven't had a chance to look at books   -   which one/s are you referring to?    But anyway, assuming you are right, then I'm chuffed. :)
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: keith on November 21, 2010, 01:08:40 AM
I'd settle for a handshake :wsh: it's 'The Glass of John Walsh Walsh' by Eric Reynolds. ;D
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on November 21, 2010, 09:27:16 AM
uhmmmm  -  just my luck.......it's not one of my 52.5 books.......oh well, another one to buy I guess.   thanks again Keith :)
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 19, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
sorry to dredge up an old thread but did you get anywhere with a confirmation on this one Paul?
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on January 19, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
sorry to say I didn't progress it any further - but in my own mind had come to the conclusion that it was 'Pompeian' - so rather let the matter drop, and since I now can't find the piece I may well have parted with it, so will never know for certain.         I tended to take Keith's word for it - him being such an expert and all that ;D.
I did get rather keen on this bubbly stuff, but now seem to have only one blue piece left about which I'm not too sure  -  although I've a few pieces of non-bubbly that are backstamped with the factory name so problem there  -  I have a fantastic little blue bubbly grapefruit dish with a backstamp that rings like a bell.        Are you really good at knowing your Walsh from your Wash? ;)               I do now have Reynolds book, which is very useful and which I'd recommend. :)
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 19, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
hi paul thanks for the update.

nope, never handled a  piece  of pompeian before, newly acquired along with a bubbly purple footed bowl with overturned rim lol.

have ordered the reynolds book. this one does glow under uv but very sludgy green, more manganese than uranium and only slightly elevated radiation level (against background) and am still looking for the elusive mark!

would love to see  pic of the grapefruit dish if you have one on file

mel
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 19, 2013, 06:39:17 PM
My gut says this isn't Pompeian.
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on January 19, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
well, that's the last time I speak to Keith ;D           Is it possible for Lustrousstone be a little more specific please ;)        This one didn't glow, but Walsh did produce green examples with a uranium content  -  I have the same little green violet vase as Christine (an example is showing somewhere on the her gallery - and from memory I think they both have the earlier form of backstamp).         There seems to be a frequent assumption by sellers that anything like this with bubbles has to be Walsh, and the price goes up accordingly, but I've now stopped trying to collect them, although would buy a Walsh piece if it was cut glass.           I do have a tallish bubbled blue vase that lacks a ground/polished pontil depression - has simply a flatish base with much wear - this also is shown in the link provide, below.

Purple sounds o.k. Mel, although not so sure about the folded rim.              I get the impression that the Walsh backstamp appears less often on the large coloured bubbled pieces than on clear/cut glass  -  but even then it can be the devil to see  -  often very feint and not always the entire word appearing.
Of course, it might be that all of Walsh's bubbled green contains uranium, which is why Lustrousstone is doubtful of this piece  -  but that is just my personal thought.
If you're getting a manganese glow (a dull greyish green) then presumably there won't be any uranium at all, so can you explain to a thicky please Mel what you mean by "elevated radiation level" ;D

see here for a link to my bubbled blue grapefruit dish...  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48144.msg271244.html#msg271244
which as you will see does have the backstamp.

I've seen a lot of bubbly glass over the past few years, but I think you need to handle a lot of material to feel sure about what you are buying as several factories produced similar products - I don't think I'd be very certain about most of them - but they are attractive, and probably make a good display.

If you need any information on Walsh pieces prior to the arrival of your book, do give me a shout. :)
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 19, 2013, 08:29:25 PM
It's the iridescence and sludge green that put's me off Paul's. We need a pic of yours Mel
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 19, 2013, 09:08:30 PM
hi paul

thanks for the offer re the book, much appreciated and the link to the g/fruit dish, lovely!

re: radiation levels, was  just checking out some of my glass and comparing the meerkats so to speak.

background radiation in my lounge is 11 mcR/h. the bubbly piece in question measured 16 so only a slight increase but a sowerby water glass patt no. 2481 registered 56 and a jobling jade candlestick from the 12500 dts was 163  ;D

I expect its either pseudo roman or mexican! but its an absolute doppelganger for yours.

Christine, will add a few pics, either here if Paul doesnt object to me hijacking his thread or on the main board?

cheers, Mel

 

Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Paul S. on January 19, 2013, 10:21:34 PM
wow - you sound one very techno lady Mel...........I just look at the stuff ;D              No objection at all if you want to add something of a similar nature to this thread, and look forward to seeing pix. :)
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 19, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
haha no, not techno - cant even master the pic resizing here, just curious by nature  ;)

pics to follow, thanks Paul

Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: keith on January 20, 2013, 12:44:22 AM
 ::),did say I'm no expert,it still looks ok to me re the pictures in the book,where's Bernard when we need him,although Christine does tend to be right and as for me well ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 01:13:05 AM
It doesn't look right to me because the colour is not the same as the green in the book, I can't find a shape match and that little ridged bulbous bit between the foot and the bowl I can't find on any of the pieces pictured in colour in the book either.
Also that shape, and the ridged bulbous bit remind me of an amber crackle vase I have with green streaks running through it.  I don't know, I'm not sure, but it doesn't feel right to me.
m
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
hard to tell I know but here's a pic of the bulbous ridged bit between the foot and the bowl on my amber crackle vase with green streaks.
Mel you have a vase in this decor but a different shape.  How does your bubble vase compare weight wise etc with it?
In the second photo my pic is wonky not my bowl.
m
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 20, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
morning m,

yes, Im boxing in the dark a bit until the book arrives and even then I may not be able to get a firm attribution by the sounds of it  ::)

think is cloudy enough outside to go and look for a back stamp though  ;D

ref. my amber green crackle glass vase.

the walls were thick, 4mm and for a 15cm tall vase it was heavy - 950g , past tense has since been rehomed but no bulbous ridged bit between foot and bowl

in comparison, the bowl in question has a rim thickness of 5mm, is 13cm tall and weighs about 900g

cheers, mel
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
my amber crackle is approx rim thickness 4mm, 10.5cm in height weighs 920gms, diameter at rim 16.5cm.

What size is your green vase Mel and how much does it weigh by comparison?
m
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 20, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
those two crackles have to have the same parentage don't you think m? if only we knew who.

in comparison, the bowl in question has a rim thickness of 5mm, is 13cm tall and weighs about 900g

cheers, mel
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
so yours is different glass I think then?  it's slightly thicker, slightly bigger than mine, but also slightly lighter.

However, that bit between the foot and the bowl is the same I'm sure.  And I think our amber ones would be heavier because they have the internal decoration and are then cased again.
I have two Daum bowls exactly the same size and look to be the same decor, but one has two casings of different colours the other only has one colour and no contrasting colour.  The difference in weight between them is very noticeable in one being much heavier than the other.
m
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 20, 2013, 12:02:07 PM
seems to have been a long day already, have just spent ages in the snow chasing son's escaped ferret around the garden grr

anyway, back to the glass.

my bowl is 21.5 cm diameter across the bowl so slightly bigger than your one and lighter, no not cased but similar shape although I think there is a more defined flare at the rim with mine

The ring between the bowl and foot on both does look similar -can it potentially be used as an identification marker?

have you got ny picsof your daums uploaded here for a quick 'compare and contrast' please?

so much glass, so little time, thanks m ;D
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: flying free on January 20, 2013, 12:14:23 PM
no pics of the Daum bowls sorry. 
I was only using those as an example of how weights can vary depending on casing though anyway.
It just happens that I have two the same size and same maker and decor, but because one has the extra colour layer in it is affects the weight if yswim?
m
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 20, 2013, 01:02:18 PM
The colour is definitely wrong, as is the iridescence. It's also way too bubbly. My wild guess would be Stephens and Williams/Royal Brierley or whoever made the speckly/bubbly/crackly mugs we've never ID'd
Title: Re: id for possible Walsh Pompeian glass.
Post by: bfg on January 20, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
oh dear, wrong colour, wrong iridescence and too many bubbles! pretty damning then.

 I could live with Stevens & Williams lol.

Looks like its back on the 'what is it shelf' for now.

Thanks for all the opinions

Mel