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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Baked_Beans on January 22, 2011, 11:51:01 AM

Title: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 22, 2011, 11:51:01 AM
Is it possible to ID the maker of this bowl please ? I think it might date from the 1960's (a guess). 3 1/4 inches tall with a diameter of 6 1/4 inches . Has an export/import label still attached . The gold is to the surface of the glass rather than internal. Thanks in advance for any help/advice & comments. Mike  :t:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Wayne on January 22, 2011, 12:38:08 PM
Hi Mike. I vaguely recall seeing something similar a while ago with a scalloped Archimede Seguso label, so maybe that is a place to start looking.  A search on this message board might turn something up.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 22, 2011, 12:52:05 PM
Thanks Wayne,

I will carry on searching here but I did find this with raspberry prunts but obviously different .

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19483.0.html

ta Mike.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Wayne on January 22, 2011, 01:30:30 PM
It does look similar, Anita is probably right in that other thread when she says that this type of glass was made by several different makers.  I've had a bit of a search myself but the closest I could find was this lamp:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35580.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35580.0.html)

It's just a shame that label can't be confirmed as A. Seguso.  It does look to me like the top layer could have worn off and then someone later added the numbers for some reason, but who knows.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 22, 2011, 04:09:06 PM
Thanks Wayne,

The red colour looks very similar , the prunts on this bowl are huge and are over 2 cm in diameter. The base is also a solid, clear , crimped disc of glass which is attached to the base of the bowl . The gold decoration is not only on the surface of the base underneath but is also sandwiched between the ruby glass of the bowl and the clear base.

I will just have to hope that one with a label may turn up one day ! I will keep looking on the ----->  :ow:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: antiquerose123 on January 22, 2011, 04:51:05 PM
Hi there:
 I have always wondered about these labels too (looks like a Rooster with a Bad hair Day)....LOL.

I have seen these label with the letters (in small) of AS, AF, and now this one has AM.  I have a bowl with this label too.  I wonder if there is *ever* a way to possibility find out (or try to figure on) here on the Board (research topic) as to what significance these different letters might mean.  It has to be a code of some sort???? A code for the Maker??  A code for location???  Most labels like this I have seen are Round foil label -- but this one here is Square... :huh:


I have brought this topic up before here:  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19101.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19101.0.html)

This has different small letters on it here:http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19500.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,19500.0.html)


I do not not know -- but would be nice to find out (somehow) what they mean.  It is just that I was reading some other Murano posts about a plastic clear label that had numbers on it, and that these numbers were were referenced to the Maker.  So I wonder IF this worth trying to dig for more info ---- or at the very least ---- be nice to start a separate Gallery at Glass Gallery(glass items) and  of the same label lettering (eg AS, or AF) to see if one can *figure* anything out as a research item by Members.  

Might labels with an *AF* have some same characteristic as to maker, over glass item with this label but with the letters *AS* ????

Might be fun to see what we come up with Glass Pieces verses the labels with the different letters on them to see if any pattern exists at all.

Just a suggestion.  If a stupid question, I will run and   :ooh:   :spls:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on January 22, 2011, 05:10:12 PM
What a super idea Rose....I think you might be on to something here. It's odd that the letter duo should all begin with 'A' . Italian silver marks (from 1968 onwards) have a star, a number (signifying the maker) and two letters which denote the region. As an example " star 58 PD ", on Italian silver, means the maker no.58 was Zanovello Bruno and the region PD is Padova (on the mainland from Murano) . Perhaps there is a maker link here somewhere or perhaps the second letter (or both) may be a year indication ! I've added a close-up for starters !
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: tam bam on January 24, 2011, 07:16:31 PM
I have a fish with the rooster label on it also.  I believe mine states AF but not too sure (I will look again when I get home this evening).  My fish is attributed to Galliano Ferro.  I will check out my label again tonight and post back.  Rose could be very correct. 

GOOD IDEA ROSE! :rah:

tam bam
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on January 25, 2011, 04:59:44 AM
I have a Drioli Bottle by A. Seguso that has a similar label with A.S on it. I belive the A.F might be Anzolo Fuga. But this is unconfirmed.

Mine is the round label. I haven't seen this one before. It looks like it could be a bit later, so maybe 70's onwards. Any Moretti's with the first initial A?

I will do some digging around...
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: langhaugh on January 25, 2011, 05:09:04 AM
I've always thought that these label were early example of the promovetro label, with the two letters being a code for the maker. I've seen a list of the combination of letters that have appeared but never anything tying them to a specific maker, although the info must exist out there somewhere.

Kane, I'd be very surprised if AF were Anzola Fuga, unless there's a really good source for that.

David
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on January 25, 2011, 07:40:58 AM
No source David, just throwing a suggestion out their. I am hoping we stumble upon the key to these letters soon!
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: tam bam on January 25, 2011, 12:29:59 PM
I checked my Galliano Ferro fish and the rooster label on it states. AF.  That throws the Fuga theory out the door.   :thud:

tam bam
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on January 30, 2011, 06:15:59 AM
Sometimes the labels are as interesting as the glass! Love it  ;D
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 03, 2011, 10:30:06 PM
Thanks Kane !

I think I will fill it with raspberries in the Summer and eat the lot  :nix:

Has anyone asked Alex (artofvenice) about the code on the labels ? I've been reading some of his very interesting comments on some other threads !  :X:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: keith on February 04, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
I'm following your posts hoping something is found,been looking for a while now,the bowl with prunts is darker than in the photo ;D
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 04, 2011, 09:29:57 PM
WoW ! What an extravaganza of Murano ruby ! Your bowl , with prunts , surely must be by the same maker as mine. I really love this type of Murano design ! Probably not to everyones taste but would look great in a boudoir with a pair of matching lamps !  :o

p.s. No export labels I guess ?
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: keith on February 05, 2011, 01:43:50 AM
This one has bubbles,the base is like yours ;D they are verrrry nice,
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: TxSilver on February 05, 2011, 03:17:50 AM
I have an Archimede Seguso bianco nero dog that has BD on the label. Not seeing a pattern, but maybe one will emerge.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 05, 2011, 02:46:23 PM
I have an Archimede Seguso bianco nero dog that has BD on the label. Not seeing a pattern, but maybe one will emerge.

 :hiclp: :hiclp:

See now -- I have Never seen this label with a BD on it....not that I have seen a zillion labels of yet.  :24:   But gee, they have to *stand* for something...don't they? 

We are a glass board, and would be nice IF we could *crack-the-code* on these initials.  Might they be a maker, or a place where they came from, or even letters used for a date code.....????


They have to have some significance for each label these Initials --- They Have to stand for something......IMHO

Wonder how many other initials are out there on these label?  We will have to start to gather facts on this, to see if we *the Board* might be able to figure this out.  Would be even nicer for the GMB to get the credit for cracking (maybe) a part of glass history of these labels, since nobody knows what the initials stand for at the current moment....and nothing seems to be on the Net.  Hasn't anyone ever wondered about this before in the Universe of Glass Collectors for the years, and years of collecting glass?  Not just even now, but in the past too... :X:

...Just a thought.  ;)
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Jurgen on February 05, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Hi all..........I have pondered these labels for many years and have yet to come to any firm conclusions!................Jerry
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on February 06, 2011, 03:58:39 AM
I agree with rose. It would be good if we could start a thread and post images of the labels along with the piece it is attached to and who it is by/year.

Maybe it could be a sticky as well so it doesn't get lost amongst all the threads.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 06, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
I agree , perhaps a thread entitled "Murano Rooster Export Label -Help Needed To Crack the Code" :thup:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: TxSilver on February 12, 2011, 12:32:14 AM
An AQ sticker on a Barbini sommerso lighter.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on February 15, 2011, 08:28:29 AM
I think a sticky thread is definitely needed for this label. Although no word from the mods on this. Could we please have an answer on this?  8) It would be greatly appreciated  :thup:
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: ardy on February 17, 2011, 11:16:05 PM
Hi All just rooting around :smg: and came across this by Mazzega IVR with label. Never heard of them  before but it certainly looks well made and has some similarities to the OP one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mazzega-I-V-R-Royal-Ruby-Red-Glass-Vase-w-aventurine-/320658968882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa8c39132

Might throw some light where none has fallen. At least it is a new label and some interesting notes regarding Mazzega IVR.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: TxSilver on February 17, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
IVR Mazzega was one of the best furnaces in its day. Two of its master glassblowers were Ermanno Nason and Pino Signoretto. They made traditional style glass mostly and a good many animals. The animals go for a premium because it can be difficult to find ones with labels. The animals have the standard forms and poses, but are sought after. Wish I had a few dozen of them.
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: kane_u_pain on May 14, 2011, 11:09:59 PM
I have stumbles across this bowl which is similar to the pieces listed here with a Seguso label. Might be helpful to those here who collect this type of glass...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seguso-Wine-Red-Gold-Dust-Scalloped-Leafed-Bowl-/250818261654?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a65eef296
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: Wayne on June 15, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Did these rooster labels ever get their own thread?  Here's a Galliano Ferro bowl with the "AF" rooster label:

(http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/items/murano_glass/gallianoferro_glass/thumbs/gallianoferroglass29.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/items/murano_glass/gallianoferro_glass/gallianoferroglass29.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/items/murano_glass/gallianoferro_glass/thumbs/gallianoferroglass30.jpg) (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/images/items/murano_glass/gallianoferro_glass/gallianoferroglass30.jpg)
Title: Re: Ruby red , wrythen bowl with applied raspberry prunts & gold decoration.
Post by: tam bam on June 15, 2011, 06:35:35 PM
My Galliano Ferro fish has the rooster label with the AF on it also.  

I found these two birds last week on Ebay and found them interesting.  They favor my birds by Franco Moretti (the technique used and not the shape of them).  The rooster labels are on both and it looks like the labels have the letters CC by the rooster.  I haven't seen the rooster labels with CC on them before.  I do wonder if Franco Moretti made them.  The murrine eyes kind of favor some of his murrines also.  I just thought I would link them to this thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220791434450&si=sn5eQ3exRD3wwyE4vroO5UqMOp4%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

tam bam

P.S. - I originally thought that Franco Moretti pieces were all signed but I recently bought a paperweight that is FM and it is not signed and only has a plastic label.  I do wonder about the birds in the above link if they are really signed under the label or not.