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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 06:14:51 PM

Title: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 06:14:51 PM
Any thoughts on this lovely pair of birds one dark amber the other a nice clear Aqua, look well made quality pieces.
Bought them together no doubting they are a matching pair.
4" long 2.5" high.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/116#5566928847517612882

thanks for looking Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 27, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
Both heads lean the same way - they match, but they can't be a pair - a pair would be mirror images of each other.(and probably the same colour).
Can't help beyond that, I think you need Anita or Rosieposie.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: johnphilip on January 27, 2011, 06:43:55 PM
Or Italian . :tof:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
Thanks John :sun:
Sue you're just being pedantic with me again for some reason, pretty sure everyone knows what I mean, as in there is no doubt they are from the same hand or from the same factory.
Sorry we cannot all be quite so articulate.
Chris
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: Anik R on January 27, 2011, 08:02:32 PM
Chris, I do like your birds, particularly the amber one  :).

P.S.  My husband is tall, I'm short... he's hairy, I'm not... He's got dark brown eyes, I've got blue...  and we're a pair.  ;D
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 08:37:38 PM
Thanks Anik, prefer the aqua myself they are well made and different from the blobby ones, so hopefully someone my recognise the style  and when they go they will stay together I will definitely list them as couple :-[

Chris   :sun:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: rosieposie on January 27, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Hi Chris  :hi:

I think your pretty birds are a lovely matching pair.

I would guess Murano, the tails are very like one I have........I'll get on the case and see what I come up with.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
Cheers Rosie.
Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: singingyamada on January 27, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
I think they may be Murano as well.  I thought I had one similar burt I cant find it so  must of went went to ebay land.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: johnphilip on January 28, 2011, 08:28:36 AM
Yes a nice pair  of Murano birds , what says Anita ?
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 28, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
Ok, so I'm a grumpy old pedant, I don't care.  :P
I was brought up to speak and write english the old-fashioned way, when marks were deducted for bad spelling and grammar - in any subject.
Buyers are forever complaining about bad/wrong descriptions, and if you listed these as a "pair" your buyer would have recourse to complain. A pair is complementary, not identical.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: glassobsessed on January 29, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
Sue you are not old, surely Grumpy Middle Aged Pedant, admittedly not quite as catchy. >:D

Anyway, I thought I was the resident pedant, this forum may not be big enough for the both of us.... ;D

John
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: TxSilver on January 29, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Arhimede Seguso. There is a pink alabastro bird of this form at https://sites.google.com/site/muranozoo/birds-4. The pink bird has a bit more of a sharpness to the beak, probably because of the glass it is made from. The form looks the same to me. I have some AS pieces that are the same shade of blue. If you would like to put your birdies in the zoo, just send pictures. They are always welcome and I am sure of the ID.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 29, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
If I were "middle aged", John, my life expectancy would be 106.
Highly unlikely, as ME cuts normal life expectancy by 25%. I'm already on borrowed time.
Get your order in for what you want me to put in my will for you.  :thup:
(Amethyst fish and strapped club are gone, as is the cobalt tricorn charger and amethyst massive textured bottle - oh, and the signed Seaward bottle, sorry.).

Anita, I've been admiring your Zoo - I have a pretty little birdie but can't quite id it from the images there - it may be Odell, but my knowledge of anything Murano is just about non-existant... can I send you some pics by email? It's a birthday pressie so I can't put it on the board, all hush-hush stuff!
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: Anik R on January 29, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
Chris, you must be very pleased to learn that your birds are Archimede Seguso.  :)  Lovely to get an attribution.


If I were "middle aged", John, my life expectancy would be 106.
Highly unlikely, as ME cuts normal life expectancy by 25%. I'm already on borrowed time.

Sue, out of curiosity, where did you get the 25% statistic?  From what I know (granted, very little) too little is known about ME to establish with any certainty that life expectancy in sufferers is cut.  From what I've read, ME sufferers are more prone to end their own lives.  :-\   (I'm not being critical -- I'm just inquisitive  :kissy:)


Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: TxSilver on January 29, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Opps -- I spelled Archimede wrong. But I know you know what I was writing, Chris. The older I git, teh more I mispell wurds. Next yeer this time, yu wont evn be able to reda wat I writ. (Poor people using translator programs!)

I'll be glad to take a look at your bird, Grumpy. Most things I can't identify, but maybe I will know what it is. I don't know much about animals that aren't Murano, and only a bit on those that are. You're lucky to have someone who cares enough about you to give a glass bird as a present. It is the ultimate gift, IMO.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chriscooper on January 29, 2011, 09:19:57 PM
Thanks for all your comments and help.
Anita I trust your judgement would love to see them in your Zoo shall I send these photos? no problem doing some more as the one with both on is blurred, but it will not be while Wednesday
Chris
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: TxSilver on January 30, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Chris, the leading picture of the aquamarine bird (full body from the left) and the back shot of the amber bird will be good. The pink bird in the zoo and your aquamarine bird are good to show the form. The amber will show people another color. It will also give people a look at the lines of the wings at the shoulder. If you'll send those two pictures, it will be good. I'll put them with the pink bird.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: Carolyn Preston on January 30, 2011, 01:55:32 AM
If I were "middle aged", John, my life expectancy would be 106.
Highly unlikely, as ME cuts normal life expectancy by 25%. I'm already on borrowed time.
Get your order in for what you want me to put in my will for you.  :thup:
(Amethyst fish and strapped club are gone, as is the cobalt tricorn charger and amethyst massive textured bottle - oh, and the signed Seaward bottle, sorry.).

Dear G.O.P. Something pretty and Scottish  :sc: please. Will not expect delivery for at least another 40 years.  :24: Is there something about the water in Scotland? My husband is the WORSE pundant known to mn. Drives me nuts!  :t:

Carolyn
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 30, 2011, 02:05:42 PM
Funnily enough, the water in Canada and the water in Scotland should share a lot of the same characteristics (including similar local variations) as they are from the same original land mass  - before the continents as we now know them, were formed.  :thup:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: Carolyn Preston on January 30, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
Funnily enough, the water in Canada and the water in Scotland should share a lot of the same characteristics (including similar local variations) as they are from the same original land mass  - before the continents as we now know them, were formed.  :thup:

So Himself has had a double dose of it which is why he is far worse than you are  :24: :24: :24:

And you learn something new everyday, I had no idea that we were originally the same land mass. And I'm watching Fantasia for the first time today.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian?
Post by: chriscooper on January 30, 2011, 10:27:40 PM
On the way Anita, thanks again for your invaluable help :fwr:
Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 31, 2011, 12:13:41 PM
Anik, thanks for your interest (though we may be cafe'd).
There is a huge political scandal surounding ME. Basically, although it is recognised, and has been since '69, by the WHO, classified as G 93.3 - a serious neurological disease, it is not recognised by official health service (except for Scotland, but even then, only since last September).
It isn't recognised, because it's a lot cheaper for insurance agencies to pay out for psychological illnesses than it is for organic disease - payments are a lot less.
So what is done in practise is to mix the diagnoses up with those of "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome", which is no more than a mish-mash of symptoms - and can have many causes, from  depression to cancer treatment.
CFS is also a bundle of symptoms which come along with ME.

So, mainstream medicine refuses to recognise any of the proper scientific research which folk have managed to do - mostly funded by charities, because the MRC (here anyway) will only fund psychological research - not scientific research. The chap who is in "charge" of all the mainstream research and is governmental advisor about it, is directly involved financially with the insurance companies who would have to pay out more if ME was taken as an organic disease. Interestingly, he's also the chap who is directly involved with the denial of GWS, and has recently published a paper saying that veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq do not have PSTD. No, no, they've all just got alcohol problems.
The government refuse to tackle the MRC over research allocations, and the chap officially in charge of ME stuff, gets allocated all the research money by his partner - who sits on the MRC and gives it to him.

Also mainstream medicine has a tendency to be about 10 years behind research knowledge.

My stats come from real, scientific research. Yes, suicide is a major cause of death in ME. So is cancer. The average age of death for somebody with ME and cancer is 47. The average age of death from cancer in folk without ME, I believe is about 63. The overall average of the cutting life short by 25% comes from averaging all the early deaths from means related to ME - including suicide and cancer as well as from major organ failure caused directly by the ME itself.
Do you want references to the papers? I can dig them out.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: tam bam on January 31, 2011, 02:03:34 PM
Hi Chris,

I have a gold one just like your amber & aqua (which btw are really nice examples).  Here is a thread I replied to on Fossilfly with a photo of my bird in it.  The red alabastro bird is not mine but I would love to have it.  The gold one at the end of the thread is mine.   These little birds are great!

tam bam
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: rosieposie on January 31, 2011, 02:09:53 PM
Can we have the link please Tam Bam?? :thud:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: tam bam on January 31, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
Sorry, here is the link.

http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=3278&highlight=Seguso+bird

tam bam
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 01, 2011, 12:30:12 AM
Don't you guys think the gold bird would look beautiful with its three siblings in the zoo? I can see it already.  :)

This may be the gold bird you sent me a picture of before you got your good camera. The picture on Fossilfly is excellent. I didn't notice it before.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: tam bam on February 01, 2011, 12:42:47 AM
Be my guest, Anita! :chky:  Yes, it is the same gold bird.  He was my first AS purchase and I have loved him ever since. 

tam bam
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: tam bam on February 01, 2011, 01:01:30 AM
 :t:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 01, 2011, 01:17:49 AM
The colorful foursome is together now. I am glad we have the back of the topaz bird, Chris. It shows a different view.
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 01, 2011, 01:21:26 AM
 :chky: :thup: :girlcheer:
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: chriscooper on February 01, 2011, 08:21:18 PM
Hi Anita, if you want a side or any other view of the Topaz one please ask it's not a problem it's a pleasure.
Chris
Title: Re: Pair of birds Scandinavian? ID = Archimede Seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 01, 2011, 08:27:52 PM
Chris, I think the back view is better in the zoo. It gives another look at the design. I would give the bottom view, but I don't want to give bird-porn people a look at their cloacal openings.  :o