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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Tigerchips on January 17, 2006, 10:24:45 PM

Title: Green Uranium pressed glass bowl ID = Sowerby 2616 w/o sticky out bits :)
Post by: Tigerchips on January 17, 2006, 10:24:45 PM
I wish I was better at this identification thing. I'm probably totally wrong but i'm guessing it's English. It shines bright green under UV. 8.25 inches diameter and 5 inches high.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20626.jpg

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20627.jpg

I was just so pleased to buy this at only £3. I even got a crackle glass vase thrown in for free.  :shock:

Any ideas what this is? Thank you.  :)
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Bernard C on January 17, 2006, 11:18:46 PM
Tigerchips — your green Deco bowl is Sowerby 2616, mid to late '30s.   Also known on a black plinth (can't recall the number of the plinth).    Also produced as a matching vase, again optionally with a slightly smaller plinth, number 2616, with the same pattern number used for both.    If you let me have the exact width of the bowl's base, I will be able to provide you with the correct plinth number.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Art Deco Green Uranium pressed glass bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 18, 2006, 07:29:29 AM
You did well! Green crackle glass sometimes glows with uranium as well and some amber (and cream/white and blue) glass. Don't forget the glow has to be BRIGHT green, even if not always very intense - if that makes sense. Your Sowerby bowl will be a bright green but sometimes manganese in green glass (and other colours) will give an intense but dull green glow - there's no uranium then. :D
Title: Art Deco Green Uranium pressed glass bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2006, 07:06:45 PM
Do you mean this Sowerby vase?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20732.jpg

It's square at the top.  :?

The green crackle glass doesn't shine under UV. I don't think it's old, infact, I don't think it's crackle glass. I've just found a crack in it which would explain why I got it for nothing. I will post a topic of it later.
Title: Art Deco Green Uranium pressed glass bowl
Post by: pamela on January 18, 2006, 07:14:31 PM
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/02678.html

this pink vase should match your bowl  :D

i post it separately to Bernard  :wink:
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: pamela on January 18, 2006, 07:16:27 PM
Thank you Bernard!
this is the matching vase in pink I think
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/02678.html
Title: Art Deco Green Uranium pressed glass bowl
Post by: Leni on January 18, 2006, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: "Tigerchips"
Do you mean this Sowerby vase?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/normal_Picture%20732.jpg

It's square at the top.  :?

No, I mean a bowl exactly like yours, only square at the top!   :D http://tinypic.com/m7556q.jpg  http://tinypic.com/m755dc.jpg

Sorry about the poor pics - just rushed to take a couple of it 'in situ'  :oops:  :roll:
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2006, 07:43:46 PM
Thank you Bernard, The base is 11 cm diameter. I did check the Sowerby catalogues but I didn't find it.

Oh, I had no idea that my pictures were causing problems. I shall keep them as a link in future.  :)
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Bernard C on January 18, 2006, 08:03:34 PM
Pamela — Absolutely.   Sowerby had great difficulty with their pinks, so they solved the problem by re-naming the colour "Rosalin".    I like their style, turning a problem into a feature!

In my opinion the black plinth sets it off to great advantage.   2616 plinths turn up on eBay quite frequently, as Sowerby subsequently used it for everything with a base of the same diameter, nominally 3¾".    I have identified three minor variants, unmarked, marked "2616" in large exuberant serifed numerals, and marked "2616" in small thin unserifed numerals.   Explanation — two mould cutters, each with their own set of punches.   Unlike the 2506 plinth, there are no major variations in profile, but they do differ slightly in shape, so if you are buying a pair, ensure that they are a perfect match.

I had a wonderful 2616 garniture set (bowl + 2 vases + plinths) in uranium green through my hands about five years ago.   Everything matched perfectly, even the lettering on the plinths.    As you would expect, it sold very quickly.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Glen on January 18, 2006, 08:17:46 PM
Tiger - it is on the Sowerby CD catalogues. The 2616 is shown in the form of the (celery) vase on a black plinth. It's on "Page Two" of the Tynesyde Glassware" catalogue (between list 35 and 38).

Glen
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: pamela on January 18, 2006, 08:18:09 PM
Tiger it is a question of difficult web design - what to put where to be able to cross-read  :roll:  :roll:  :?

but if you have got an idea of provenance like UK in this case - just look in that section - it is not so overcrowded and shows all shapes  :)

again thank you Bernard
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2006, 09:35:55 PM
I've checked the catalogue and it isn't there. I only have volume 2 so perhaps it is in volume 1.  :?

Oh, by the way Glen, if you don't mind me asking, I have a Sowerby bowl with long chips on the base rim. Are these just chips that happened while it was being cut or are they genuine chips? They appear on the inner side of the base rim only.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20635.jpg

Pamela, it is an excellent web design. I shall check the next time and the UK section too (Slaps paws).  :)
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: pamela on January 18, 2006, 09:51:02 PM
Tiger, it is in Volume 2
:arrow:
1940  :arrow: illustrated list  :arrow: page 2

it was difficult to trace for me too  :P

cross-reading necessary also Glen's wonderful CD  :D
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2006, 10:03:16 PM
Oh, oh, oh, I've found it and it has no sticky out bit's, so that's why I missed it.  :oops:

I do apoligise, slaps both paws.  :oops:

Thanks Pamela.  :D
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2006, 10:24:14 PM
Don't worry Glen, I can't see them either.  :lol:

I was thinking that they might be something like that because it would be difficult to chip the base rim on the inside only. I was just checking though.

Better picture
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20636%7E0.jpg
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Glen on January 19, 2006, 07:37:45 AM
Sure looks like grinding chips, Tigerchips  :shock:  

Glen
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Glen on January 19, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
Tigerchips - thanks for your observation and perfect description of the variation in the design. I like the phrase "sticky out bits"!

Bernard, do you have a Sowerby catalogue illustration of the vase or bowl with the "sticky out bits"? You'll know that the catalogue illustration in Cottle, which is like the one on our Sowerby CD, shows the 2616 without any "sticky out bits".

Has anyone got one of the vases without the "sticky out bits"?

Should one of them be called a 2616 Variant?

Glen
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Leni on January 19, 2006, 09:40:34 AM
At Tiger's suggestion, I am adding my 2 penn'orth - and a pic of my square version of the bowl!  Is this a standard variation, or a different reference number?  http://tinypic.com/m7556q.jpg  http://tinypic.com/m755dc.jpg
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Bernard C on January 19, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Glen — I had completely forgotten the 2616 asymmetrical sticky-out bits, or ASOBs.   I have had 2616 vases both with the ASOBs and without, but I have never seen a 2616 bowl without its ASOBs.    I don't think we have yet established whether the ASOBs were an add-on or a take-away, and I don't believe the illustration in the Sowerby trade catalogues helps, as Sowerby probably did not bother to change the illustration.

I believe that they were cut into the mould for the vase after an initial period of production of ASOB-less versions, and the bowl was a later production, always with ASOBs, but I could be wrong.   I have also often wondered whether the Jobling 2-handled Rose Pattern Vase, No. 11200, Rd July 21, 1934, provided the inspiration.

Leni — Yours is neither a standard variation, nor a different reference number.    Sowerby reference numbers are supremely logical.   They started with 1 back in 18??, and added one for every new design they produced, right until they closed.    Had you asked me last week if they had produced a square version I would have said it was unlikely.    The moulding is too thick and it would be extremely difficult to line up the former used accurately with the ASOBs.    I would describe yours as an unusual and unexpected variant.

Tigerchips — 11cm?   If that is 4¼", then the plinth with that fitting would be Sowerby pattern number 2562.

Grateful thanks for changing your images to links, but you should not have just for me.    If you want me to see an in-line image on my elderly home PC, re-size it to roughly 200x150 pixels, and optimise the file size to less than 32K bytes, although you will find that images this size, photographed against a plain background, will usually optimise to less than half that with no noticeable loss of quality.   It is most unusual to need an image larger than this for id purposes.   ... and you can cram much more into your valuable web space.   Great-glass reference library images are optimised to less than 3K bytes, and they are still short of web space.   I think Frank's are as well optimised but with more detail, so they have a slightly larger file size than the great-glass images, necessary for the subtleties of Monart and Vasart surface colour effects, &c.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Tigerchips's green Deco bowl
Post by: Tigerchips on January 19, 2006, 11:15:07 PM
Thank's Bernard.  :D

The pictures are little but you can see the shape.

Click  :arrow: (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/thumb_Picture%20626.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20626.jpg)

Click  :arrow: (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/thumb_Picture%20627.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20627.jpg)

Just a minute, I'll change my screen resolution just to see what it look's like. It look's like a split pea at the moment.  :D