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Title: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: keith on March 23, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
Presume it's Webbs, polished pontil mark, ;D
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: flying free on March 23, 2011, 04:25:39 PM
Keith, may I ask why it is a 'definite' celery vase?  I thought they engraved Celery on there to avoid tax or something .  So it could be put onto any vase that could hold celery to make it look like it was a functional table piece and not a luxury.
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Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 23, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Thought about that after I posted it :pb:
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: flying free on March 23, 2011, 04:45:18 PM
I remember growing up hearing my aunt talk about this all the time.   She was a war baby who grew up to collect pressed glass  ;D and who tried to foist her pressed glass enthusiasm onto me by buying me pieces.
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Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: David E on March 24, 2011, 10:47:30 AM
Quite right: only vases marked with 'Celery' can be called as such. Keith, see Chance Expressions, p.15

I have also discovered paperwork about a new pressed-glass range made by Chance c.1950 where a vase was refused the 'Celery' tag by HM Customs because of its rather elaborate decoration. HM Customs preferred to see plain utilitarian glassware that wouldn't get sold as a flower vase, which would have attracted a higher rate of Purchase Tax! See Chance Additions, once it's printed (now just finalising the copy editing, with thanks to Christine).
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 24, 2011, 07:27:57 PM
 :huh:it says celery on the foot :huh: ;D ;D
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: David E on March 24, 2011, 09:39:33 PM
Sure, I noticed. And assuming it was designated as a celery by HM Customs, then it should be accepted as such.

BTW, if you look down the vase and see a 'square' like shape, then it is probably Webb. I noticed some time ago that Whitefriars seem to have a hexagonal shape.
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 25, 2011, 01:09:27 AM
Thanks David,should have compared it with a Webbs vase of similar size when I first got it so here's the pic's ::) really should pay more attention to the posts on this site :pb:
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: Mosquito on March 25, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
Hi Keith,

The top view especially makes me think your celery might be Whitefriars, possibly no. 9147 (shown in the 1940 catalogue), though the proportions look a little different. I still think it's worth posting on the Whitefriars.com site.

btw, what are the dimensions?

Here are a couple of examples of 9147 for comparison:
http://whitefriars.com/isit_contents.php?ID=2765
http://whitefriars.com/contents.php?ID=132
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 25, 2011, 11:38:07 AM
Thanks Steven,6 inches high and 3.25 across the 'mouth'(the vase that is not me!) ;D
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: Mosquito on March 25, 2011, 10:47:53 PM
Dimensions seem OK for Whitefriars 9147, the 1940 catalogue lists a 6 inch high version.
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 27, 2011, 12:14:05 PM
The people at WF's say no and think it might be Webbs! :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:aaargh! now what?
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: Mosquito on March 27, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
I'm fairly certain it's not Webb. I think you need give it more time on WF.com and maybe point people towards the 1940 catalogue. 9147 is quite a scarce pattern and many people won't be familiar with it. It would also be helpful if a moderator could change the title here to attract the Whitefriars collectors.  

While your vase seems to taper in a little more towards the base than the catalogue drawing, I can see nothing that definitely rules out Whitefriars (the difference could be just down to individual variation - also the illustrated examples I've found were all in the larger size, not this 6 inch version). The 6 sided pattern, the style of foot and the dimensions all match the smallest size 9147 vase. Likewise 'Flint' (clear colourless) was a catalogued colour for this range. The time period is roughly correct; 9147 appears in the 1940 catalogue and the 'Celery' mark on yours dates it from 1942 onwards. Therefore, on balance, I think it is likely to be Whitefriars and is quite an interesting find.
Title: Re: Definite celery vase.
Post by: keith on March 27, 2011, 02:20:45 PM
Thanks Steven,I will put forward your most logical and informative description to them ;D ;D,been watching too much Star Trek,I did look at the catalogue and agree it's not like the Webb pieces I have ;D
                                                     Keith.
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: Anne on March 27, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
Subject tweaked as Steven suggested.
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: johnphilip on March 29, 2011, 05:48:47 AM
Hi Kieth if it has that square look (birdseye view) and a fairly large pontil then i feel it is Webbs , i spent the last 25 years hanging around with Ray Annenberg of Whitefriars we used to buy glass together until he became unwell i collected foreign glass he collected mostly W/Fs so it worked well  , he taught me quite at lot about English glass . jp
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: Mosquito on March 29, 2011, 08:48:23 AM
If you look at the top view Keith posted it is not square but 6-sided, hence why I suggested Whitefriars.
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: johnphilip on March 29, 2011, 09:59:52 AM
Sorry i missed that one . :-\
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: Leni on March 29, 2011, 10:51:19 AM
Definitely looks like Whitefriars Wave-ribbed to me!  Could also be one of the Wuidart range.  9147 was also produced as W17.   
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: keith on March 29, 2011, 03:38:27 PM
Thanks Leni ;D
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: chriscooper on March 30, 2011, 10:36:36 AM
Hi Keith looks right to me I think the no votes were a little hasty maybe  the etched celery getting in the way? maybe a simple explanation that these were added later by a retailer? not sure I have handled a lot of this wave ribbed pattern over the years and my opinion is it probably is Whitefriars and have no doubt if the 'celery' wasn't on it would have been a yes vote, think at the moment it should be don't know and not a no.
An ex member Steve G who also posts on here (Gilead) had full sets of various wave ribbed patterns but unfortunately removed them after a 'spat' but if you search there are quite a few.
I have a few photos to compare but not in that shape.

https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/WFEmeraldWaveRibbed#5589816946666211474

https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/HUGERUBYWAVERIBBED8473GLASSVASE#5558322118229258258

Chris

 
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: johnphilip on March 30, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
I must say i didnt look at pics just added what Ray said not square not a very large pontil ie from edge to edge.
 Chris there are not many left on dot com now that have a full set . ;D :24: :hi:
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: chriscooper on March 30, 2011, 01:04:32 PM

 Chris there are not many left on dot com now that have a full set . ;D :24: :hi:
  :24: :wsh:

Chris
Title: Re: Is this a Whitefriars 9147 celery vase?
Post by: keith on March 30, 2011, 02:44:41 PM
Thanks for all the posts,WF's it is,I'm happy,then again that might be the tablets :o :thud: :srn: