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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: SophieB on October 23, 2011, 08:23:18 PM

Title: Clichy?
Post by: SophieB on October 23, 2011, 08:23:18 PM
Hi all,

I waited for the auction to be finished before posting my question (not to disrupt proceedings). IMHO, this weight is clearly old French but is this a Clichy (as advertised) or a St Mande (as I would tend to believe - the rose does not look quite right for Clichy) or someting else? I would be interested in knowing what people think.

Title: Re: Clichy?
Post by: Nicholas. on October 24, 2011, 05:10:48 PM
Hello Sophie,

I agree with you that this is certainly not a Clichy weight and that the rose-cane looks very much like weights that I've seen attributed to St.Mandé; there are some articles in the more recent PCA Bulletins which might help here.

However I'm never quite certain which weights are supposed to be St.Mandé and which Grenelle.

Title: Re: Clichy?
Post by: SophieB on October 24, 2011, 09:50:42 PM
Hello Nicholas,

Nice to hear from you.

I agree with you. And Yes! I forgot all about Grenelle. I seem to hear more about St Mande than Grenelle but it may be that the attributions of some old French weights are a little haphazard... Not sure I can recognise a Grenelle weight at all  :huh:. I will have to look at those PCA articles more closely when I have some time.

The main thing is that IOHO (in our humble opinion), it is not a Clichy. I was worried I could no longer ID a Clichy properly...

Title: Re: Clichy?
Post by: tropdevin on October 25, 2011, 09:39:30 PM

Agreed - St Mandé or Grenelle (and it is not easy to decide which factory, given that the key worker at St Mandé - Thomas Bredgen - went on to work at Grenelle, after having first worked at Clichy). Between Clichy and St Mandé, I believe that he worked for several years in Scandinavia....and he originally came from Stourbridge...isn't life complicated!

I might now consider putting some of my St Mandé on eBay, if they are going to sell for that kind of money!

Title: Re: Clichy?
Post by: tropdevin on October 27, 2011, 07:18:08 AM

Correction to the above post: it was Charles Bredgen who founded the Grenelle factory, having previously worked at St. Mandé.  He moved to Finland from 1857 to 1864.  I think Thomas was his father.