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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 02:25:58 PM

Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 02:25:58 PM
Can anyone date or ID maker on this one please?

http://www.debook.com/forum/greenvase1.jpg

http://www.debook.com/forum/greenvase2.jpg
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Leni on March 07, 2006, 03:19:09 PM
Looks like Murano to me.
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Ivo on March 07, 2006, 03:34:41 PM
it does, doesn't it!
well - maybe around Murano.
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 03:38:46 PM
Coo! 1950's or earlier/later?
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Jay on March 07, 2006, 03:39:58 PM
Looks like the gentleman from Boom, Paul Heller, doesn't it?

Typified by the cluster of horizontal rims, the rather tacky painting (sorry, Frank), and the basic shape as well as the gilded rim.
Does not show the typical feature of a wavy rim, but you can't have everything!
Didn't find this particular 'pattern' in the book, but that's not surprising.

My guess it's either from Boom, or from a small studio up the river at Laken.
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Ivo on March 07, 2006, 03:47:22 PM
I would think much later; Barbini Martellago (the main producer of high enamel and gold in Italy) did not start his terzo fuoco production until 1964. You cannot with certainty exclude the possibility that one of the Czech works is responsible. Terzo Fuoco is not a technique known from Belgium.
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
the rather tacky painting


HOW DARE YOU speak the truth :wink:
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 04:01:30 PM
Thanks, Well lets find out if this Barbini stirs people into crazy bidding :D listing in tonights batch :shock:
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 04:24:42 PM
Ivo, does the company still exist? The website you mentioned for them on the Murano forum no longer functions. Google does not know the name either :shock:
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Ivo on March 07, 2006, 04:46:05 PM
it seems they do baby clothes now; the website has gone.
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Frank on March 07, 2006, 05:32:43 PM
That is nice, it means that such pieces should be being sought out after tonights listing :lol:
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Jay on March 07, 2006, 06:27:15 PM
Ivo.
Can I be a klutz and ask for some more info about 'terzo fuoco'.
what is it, and why is it different to Boom's technique?

It's not a term I can find in my A-Z of Glass, but maybe my eyes are squiffy from the magnifying glass!
Title: Enamelled vase
Post by: Ivo on March 07, 2006, 07:13:20 PM
Terzo Fuoco (fired three times) is the enameling technique for thick enamel in combination with gold. It requires that a piece be fired three times with very careful temperature control; one for the regular annealing, one for baking the enamel and one for firing on the gilding. The technique is widely in use in the Czech republic where most raised enamel pieces originate from; it is technically identical to the Italian produced items, though stylistically there are some differences.