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Glass Discussion & Research. No ID requests here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: Ivo on December 13, 2011, 02:20:53 PM

Title: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on December 13, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
Seen this bowl in one of our local shops and finally decided to take it home aftr seeing an almost identical one on the Skruf site. To my surprise it is signed Orrefors - just the sig is lost kn the soft scratch band. I found one identical one on e-bay which was wrongly identified as Mayflower by Jan Johansson. it is also not Fleur, Orion or Corona.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: ahremck on December 14, 2011, 02:32:39 AM
This basic pattern comes in many sizes and diameters (I have about 4 myself) and I always thought it to be Corona.  Why are you so sure it is not Corona?

Ross
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2011, 08:34:24 AM
Because i also have Corona bowls and they are really very different . For one thing they do not have the pronounced spikey ribs. Also all Corona bowls I have seen are stamped/blasted not needle etched.
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: ahremck on December 14, 2011, 11:59:43 AM
I agree it is definitely NOT Corona - another myth bites the dust(inside my head)  :pb:


It is a Sven Palmqvist design but I have yet to track its pattern name - but it is so common it surely has a name.  I found two of mine in the garage.  The one with the felt scratch svaers was particularly clear.  The other looked like CP rather than SP but is virtually the twin of the other one.

Ross
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Daniel S on December 14, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
princess it is
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on December 14, 2011, 09:18:43 PM
Thank you both most sincerely   :thup:
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: ahremck on December 15, 2011, 02:18:48 AM
Yes, thanks also Daniel.  My two I quickly found had ID strings starting with both SP and CP and on Google I found a picture of two that started with CP and R.  Can you explain why they did not start consistently with SP, please.

Ross
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on December 15, 2011, 07:25:01 AM
I would rather have expected a PU?
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Daniel S on December 15, 2011, 05:21:42 PM
the bowl is desinged by Palmqvist and the name is Princess like i wrote above. orrefors pu xxxxxx should be the signature, sometimes only orrefors
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: ahremck on December 16, 2011, 12:21:08 PM
Well this is intriguing.  :spls:  I have more than four of these BUT here are photos o0f the item and of the signature of each.  You will see that three of the four are clearly signed CP and on the one with bumpers is clearly SP.  A mystery to me as I never really looked that closely before.

Ross
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: ahremck on December 16, 2011, 12:23:34 PM
And photos of the other two items.

Ross
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on December 16, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
hmmmm..... maybe it stands for colonial production? :ooh:
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Daniel S on December 16, 2011, 03:09:11 PM
S.P Sven Palmqvist or just P, it's no C in front of the p.
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: cjf on January 14, 2012, 07:46:32 AM
I have seen serveral pieces by Palmqvist marked CP, and the most logical theory to me is that the C indicates "Centrifuged", which is how these were made.
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: rosieposie on January 14, 2012, 07:56:40 AM
Could it be that what appears to be a 'c' is just a flourish of the needle of the pen getting started on the glass before the 'P' is scribed? 
I ask this because often on Mdina glass the 'M' of Mdina looks very odd and puzzles a lot of people as there is a long loop in the starting flourish...........just a thought???
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: Ivo on January 14, 2012, 08:56:21 AM
I have seen serveral pieces by Palmqvist marked CP, and the most logical theory to me is that the C indicates "Centrifuged", which is how these were made.

'Centrifugerat' makes sense - so would this be before Fuga? Or was Fuga a specific line of centrifuged glass?
Title: Re: orrefors bowl - who?
Post by: cjf on January 14, 2012, 11:57:48 AM
Ivo, Fuga was a specific line, Princess and the others came later.

And re. the CP, I have seen several, and the marking has been up for discussion several times at PES, so it would surprise me if it was unintended.