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Title: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 13, 2012, 11:56:26 AM
I thought this might be easy to find a match as it looks quite distinctive, but I've been unsuccessful to date.  I have been looking rather randomly as I wouldn't even know which country I thought it might be from.
My pictures make it look a little blurred but in fact it's very crisp and the blue and white has a lovely effect of making them look as though they have been drawn on with an ink pen.  It's pretty (well, in my eyes it is  :) )
The canes are positioned in a scrambled 'layer' mid way up the weight with clear glass below and above in the dome.  It is 2 1/2" wide by 1 5/8" tall and has a polished sort of concave base or  very large pontil mark type base with a ring of wear around it, possibly a fine ground ring underneath the wear.
any thoughts much appreciated
Many thanks
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: Nicholas. on May 13, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Hello,

Your weight, apart from being attractive, really is most interesting and would appear to date from, or near to, the classic mid-nineteenth century era of paperweights.

You may well have noticed the white rose-canes with green sepals that this weight contains; the characteristics of these, together with other canes present, could well provide clues that would help with the attribution of this weight. The only problem there is that I suspect that some of the published attributions for rose-canes have been postulated without sufficient concrete evidence and so may well be misleading.

I'll get out some reference books and try to come up with some further information but perhaps someone who carries such information in their head can come back with some ideas straight away.

Nicholas
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 13, 2012, 05:35:38 PM
Nicholas, thank you very much, your observations are interesting as my knowledge of paperweights is zero (vases are my addiction).

 I have tried to look for various of the canes that are showing but so far I've not been able to match them.  However...I did not notice the white rose-canes with green sepals -  I was trying to match the blue and white ones and the big plain white ones as they seemed to me the most obvious. I will go and look up rose canes now and see what I can find.

Edited later to add: I am very embarrassed to admit that the 'plain white' canes I was looking for appear to be the 'white rose-canes with green sepals' you refer to - I just somehow didn't notice they all had green in them  :-[

Thank you for taking the time to look at my weight, I appreciate it.
m

Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 13, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
Something I did notice that might help, is that there are two white and pink canes (are they called complex canes?), white little circles with a pink surround to each circle forming a cane that looks like a flower,  that look as if they are sitting on the top of a side-ways on white striped cane. And on the other side there are two more, very tiny, that are squished into either side of a blue and white cane and sort of sat in the middle of one of those white-rose canes with green sepals. I don't know if this helps, and my apologies for not using better terminology but I really don't know what I am describing unfortunately.
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 13, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
With the information from your reply I have done some more searching.
Would the type of base finish indicate this might be French or are there also other places that finished their weights with a concave polished area and a ground ring?
When I typed in rose cane what came up was Clichy although I presume from your answer there were other makers who used them.
I have found green and white rose canes now that are id'd as Clichy, however I don't think the ones in this weight are the same.  Mine do not have a central 'stamen' or middle bit in them.  They all seem to just be the white petals with a green exterior on the them.  I have also read that Clichy used cobalt blue sparingly and there is a lot of it in this weight.
I have found a Clichy weight that has a couple of canes in which have similarities though.  The canes that make up the outer circle of the millefiori are the same as those in two of my millefiori but the central bit is different.  I'm presuming that lots of makers used similar ideas so I guess the fact that the central bit is not the same possibly also precludes them?
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 14, 2012, 09:03:31 AM
I think I was mistaken about the rose canes in my weight.  There are something like 12 or so rose canes and having looked very closely at them, there seems to be two different kinds - most are plain white with green sepals, but the little pink complex canes I pointed out on the previous message actually seem to be the middles of some of the rose canes.  I have now found a good example of one right on the edge which is white with the complex pink centre and also has green sepals. (see top pic below)
It also seems where there are what looked like the twin pink millefiori, it is in fact two rose canes with pink centres sat squished together - there are two sets of these, but one set has another blue and green cane put between it to separate the pink middles.
I'm not sure if this helps or confuses things. I'll add some more close up pictures which may help a bit
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 14, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
a couple more pics
green tubey type cane with a cobalt blue flower centre ( I have found one similar to this with the green tube surround canes) top picture just to off centre to the right and down.
and a blue tubey type cane with flower centre
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 14, 2012, 03:34:52 PM
I think what has happened with what looks like the 'twin' sets of pink flowers is that the flower cane had been split open lengthways and what would have been the middle pink tubes that formed the complex flower centre have either been curled upwards at each end and into the middle, thereby showing the ends of the group of 5 tubes as two flowers, or have been cut and put in specifically like that (although goodness knows how as it must have been fiddly to do if possible).
These rose canes look like those I have seen identified as Clichy rose canes, however I have found a Baccarat weight, or rather two weights, that have the white tubes with green stars in the middle that form the outer ring of the large millefiori in my weight.  The centre of the millefiori in those weights though, differs from the centre of mine.  Does anyone know if Clichy used these white with green stars in the middle please?
If I am looking in entirely the wrong area please do let me know.
many thanks
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: KevinH on May 14, 2012, 04:11:30 PM
Hi "m",

Sorry for delaying with this response, but I kept getting sidetracked from looking for info about weights like yours. I have now found what I was thinking about ...

2011 Annual Bulletin of the Paperweights Collectors Association, Inc.
Article by Paul Dunlop (pages 5 thru 10) titled "Who Am I? Part 2".

In the article, it is commented that the general attribution of "Bohemian" has been used for many weights of unknown manufacture, but that research has now enabled groupings to be proposed and "European Factory 8" has been used for weights with elements like yours.

There are two overall features that make me think your weight is one of those.
a) the colours and general form of the weight are very much in keeping with one shown as Figure 7 in the article
b) the distinctive central cane of your weight has colours and features that are very close to those shown in canes illustrated in the article as Figures 31, 32 & 33. This is especially true of the particular style of six-point stars set in an outer band of the complex cane.

I have not attempted to compare details of rose canes or other types.

Also, for info, there is a weight with the same style canes illustrated as "concentric 13" in the "Antique Bohemian" section of the PCC's 1999 Christies Exhibition. To locate, click here (http://www.paperweightcollectorscircle.org.uk/) then select "Events" from the menu and "Past exhibitions" from the drop-down list. Then scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "Index here" next to "1999 Christie's, London". Finally click on the link beneath "Bohemian" in the "Antique" section and then click on the weight "Concentric 13" for a larger image.

In summary, it is clear that the maker of many so-called "Bohemian" weights is still not known but that by building up groups of weights, further research may eventually be able to identify some makers (as has happened for the French makers St Mande and Grenelle).

Until then, your weight has no confirmed maker but is definitely of interest.
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on May 14, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
Kev thank you so very much  :)  I really appreciate you and Nicholas sharing your knowledge so generously. I had found another paper on antique Bohemian weights somewhere on the net, but there were not enough photos for me to find comparison.  I would not have found this in a month of Sundays. 
The rose canes in the item 'concentric 13' are also the same as those in my weight that have the complex pink centres I believe.  The centre star in the middle of the centre cane is also the same as that found in some of canes in my weight - I feel there is little doubt it has come from a similar source, whereas every Clichy or Baccarat I looked at gave me doubts.
I will keep checking to see if there are any developments on identifying sources of the weight now. 
Thank you so much.
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on February 08, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
is it possible this weight was made at Josephinenhutte please?  or is there evidence or even any thoughts as to why it could not be from there ?
many thanks
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on February 08, 2013, 01:58:19 PM
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Hi m

If you look through Peter von Brackel's second book (Classic Paperweights from Silesia / Bohemia), Chapter 11 is devoted to a range of paperweights once attributed to Bohemia. Some of these have canes that look very similar to those in your weight.  Peter now attributes these weights to one or more unknown French factories, and believes that the 'Bohemian' attribution used in the past was a mistake. I think you can rule out Josephinenhutte - their canes look fairly different.

I wonder whether your weight (and the ones Peter shows) might be from later production at Grenelle, but that is speculation based on no more than the vague similarity of the canes to St Mandé and Grenelle.

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on February 08, 2013, 02:24:24 PM
thank you Alan :)
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: alpha on February 08, 2013, 02:34:42 PM
I would vote for Grenelle. There was a good article on the factory in last year's PCA Bulletin.
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on February 08, 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Thank you - so is the 'Factory 8' classification that Kev talked about, a group that is possibly French then?
And does mine still belong to the Factory 8 group :)
I've come about this in an odd way, as really I'm trying to match the weight to something else :) and clarification of the weight might have helped.
I'm still very interested in time as to what the weight might be but have no intention of selling - I'm just happy to see what comes out eventually :)
Many thanks
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on April 02, 2013, 04:35:05 PM
I've been having a look around  ::) and trying to see if I can match anything in the canes in this weight
I don't have the resources mentioned unfortunately so I'm probably completely off kilter anyway, but
I found this weight on the board (thinking it was Grenelle but happened upon the Clichy closepack weight at the bottom of the post) and there are some elements of some of the canes that are remarkably similar to some in my weight
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,45553.msg261638.html#msg261638

Is Clichy completely a no no  for mine please?
If so I will abandon that tree and find another to bark up  ;D
thanks
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on April 02, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
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Hi.  I don't think yours is Clichy - but Clichy, St Mandé and Grenelle are all fairly close to each other in the middle of Paris, so I suspect ideas and influences spread.  Charles Bredgen worked at all three, for example.

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on April 02, 2013, 05:21:12 PM
thanks Alan :)
I'll continue to search Grenelle weights for now then
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on April 02, 2013, 11:29:02 PM
although I think mine is much neater than this, the rose canes have some similarities.  It's difficult to see the pink bits in the middle and to see whether they are the same as mine but I'm finding it difficult finding white and green rose canes on anything, and just wondered whether some weights were still classified as St Mande when they might in fact be Grenelle (iyswim?)- is this possibly a Grenelle weight? and do my rose canes look similar to these?
http://www.libertys.com/li5/lib5990.jpg

This is a Grenelle weight with rose canes.  I can see the similarity but are they the same?
http://www.world-encheres.com/boisgirard/vo25012010/images/boisgirard_25012010-007.jpg
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on April 03, 2013, 09:39:25 AM
ref my post above, I'm probably splitting hairs, but I don't think the rose canes on the sulfide weight look exactly like mine, whereas with difficulty I can see that the rose canes I think, look similar to those on this link
http://www.pwts.org.uk/exhib99/Antique/Bohemian/13conc.JPG
I can see that the centre cane on mine with the white surrounds with green hollow star centres look similar to those on the sulfide weight, and on the linked paperweightcollectorscircle weight.
My weight seems to have some different types of rose canes, some with a double centre (two - where perhaps the pink centres have doubled up on themselves which makes them look as though they are double centred), one which seems to have a single pink form of centre, some large white ones with no pink centre and green outers and some small tube green types with only a few white rose petals in the centre (would those still be classed as rose canes?).
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on April 03, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
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Hi m.

One problem with attributions is that different people have different views - so a shop such as Libertys and an auction house like Boisgirard may not agree with each other, or with some collectors! You only have to look at eBay to see just how off the wall some attributions are, and the big auction houses can be badly wrong too. I have seen some strange attributions by Bosigirard and by Bonhams, for example.

As alpha indicated,  Philippe Frère wrote the best article on Grenelle,  in last year's PCA Bulletin.  That included 63 images, mainly of Grenelle pieces.  There are no identical cane matches to yours, but the white shard rose is quite similar.  Paul Dunlop gave a talk at Wheaton in 2012 where he looked at a whole range of antique European weights, forming 14 different groups, most of which are not yet attributed to factories.  The canes in yours match some in weights he referred to as 'Factory 8'. These pieces are not from any of the big 3 factories, and probably not St Mandé.

I think the best guess on yours at the moment is French, factory as yet unidentiifed, possibly Grenelle, possibly not!

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on April 03, 2013, 08:26:10 PM
ok, I'm 'at rest' for now then :)
And thank you for sharing the extra info - I very much appreciate it.
(in my defence I do now have Sibylle Jargstorf's book and have managed to find two of my weights in there, but not the tree :)  )
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 07, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
just having a search around and came across this thread on the GMB that appears to have a paperweight with similar canes in to mine.
The roses appear to be the same, as does the cane with stars in.
https://plus.google.com/photos/105319207644601120535/albums/5088161420828978577?banner=pwa
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16293.msg95355.html#msg95355

There appears to be matching rose canes across Hazel's, mine and also the one Hazel linked to in the Christie's 2005 catalogue.
Also I think there is a match between the tubey green canes in mine and the Christie's one (if their colour is distorted), and I think there is a link between Hazel's blue star canes and one in mine and another that links mine to the Christie's one is the blue tubey cane and also the cane that is white with blue flower type stars in it (mine is squished so difficult to tell, but it looks remarkably similar)
I think they are all from the same maker.

I think the rose cane is the link between all four of these weights, the three I've just mentioned including mine and also this one
http://www.pwts.org.uk/exhib99/Antique/Bohemian/13conc.JPG

Making the link to what Alan wrote above then my next question would be, if the article on Grenelle weights included 63 pieces mainly of Grenelle and there were no matches to my weight, then are there any in Paul Dunlop's group of Factory 8( which did have some matches to canes in my weight), that also match to any canes in  the Grenelle weights in Philippe Frère's article?

I may be wrong but the roses in all four of the weights I've just discussed are, I believe, a match.  Therefore if there are none in an article featuring 63 weights mainly Grenelle, I'm wondering if my weight is not Grenelle at all on balance iyswim?

m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on October 08, 2013, 06:48:15 AM
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Hi m. 

As with any 'difficult' area of paperweight ID, there will be a number of attributions that have been given in the past (in good faith) that are incorrect.  With hindsight one can spot errors in just about every book and many auction house catalogues (including Selman, Bonhams, Christies etc).  As we slowly find out more about the past makers, the attributions change - and hopefully become more resilient.  In his latest book Peter von Brackel identified a whole range of Bohemian / Silesian paperweights, but concluded that one group that he had previously thought might be Bohemian  - with examples very like your paperweight - were from an unknown French factory.  So I think the jury is still out...

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2013, 06:55:43 AM
Hi Alan
.

I understand, from reading about the Ysart, Vasart, Strathearn, Perthshire lineage, that what you say is correct and that it can be difficult to pin point. 
I'm just pleased with myself for finding 2 more that I believe have matches including the rose :)
m
Edited to add:
I was not casting aspersions on the Christie's catalogue nor anyone elses previous id's :) I understand how previous attributions do change when more evidence becomes available.  But that shouldn't stop me being able to try and identify my own weights I feel :) I was merely using the weights to demonstrate the matches, rather than focusing on the identification of the weights' makers -
 although it may be a little disconcerting if the previous attribution was presented as a firm identification I suppose.
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on October 08, 2013, 08:07:41 AM
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Hi m.

I would love to know who made these pieces - and several other antique paperweights I own, one with a good rose. I suspect that far more factories than we currently credit made a few paperweights at the height of the classic period, and in various countries.  But I live in hope: material that has turned up in the past few years and been made available because of the web has helped tie down some pieces, and I am sure more will follow. Also, technical advances in glass analysis may permit us to group paperweights more accurately.

For example, we now know that a particular style of moulded lion / bee / dog paperweights  was made by Baccarat in the 1880s (because we now have the catalogue pages that show them).  And the 'Mount Washington' plaque nonsense has been ended, as the Russian attribution is confirmed by the existence of relevant pages from the Maltsov catalogue (not to mention examples of the plaques being on display in the Maltsov museum in Dyatkovo - which they have been for ages, but this seemed to be treated as an inconvenient fact that got in the way of accepted - but wrong - 'wisdom').

I am sure we will find out much more about the origins of currently 'unknown' paperweights - but please don't ask when! ;D

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
well I'm ever hopeful :)
Is there a difference in the pantone (? couldn't think of another way to describe the hue and tone of the colours - not sure if that is the correct phrase to describe glass colours) of the colours used over time periods?  I ask because the blue in my weight appears to be the same as the blue in a Bohemian overlay vase I own from c.1850/1860 and both the green and the blue in mine appear to match the same green and blue in a Clichy weight I have.
The blue is particularly difficult to match. 

I found a few more that I believe are possibles -
The first is a pic of the Christie's one on Hazel's link showing better colours - weight 316

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/two-paperweights-mid-19th-century-4545491-details.aspx?from=searchresults&&pos=10&intObjectID=4545491&sid=03c6362c-503f-4e19-9415-d6a93c574dfe&page=5

The other two, I feel also possibly are from the same maker:

This one has a rose with a large clear centre that looks to be the same as one on mine as well as the green tubey cane
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-clichy-type-macedoine-weight-probably-continental-mid-19t-4351550-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4351550&sid=481e054b-df8b-481c-8f02-9b03458bfa2b

Lot 320, has the same spirit and colours but it's difficult to see the detail
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-patterned-blue-ground-millefiori-french-mid-19th-4545497-details.aspx?from=searchresults&pos=73&intObjectID=4545497&sid=a2876434-2366-46d7-bb54-01f47443db1a
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on October 08, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
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Hi m.

I agree that each link shows one example (amongst the groups of paperweights) that are probably from the same factory (and not Clichy!).

I don't think you can draw much of a conclusion from the shade of blue.  The darker blue in just about all antique weights is made using a small amount of cobalt oxide as colourant (it is very strong), and is hardly affected by the glass composition.  It will look much the same colour whether it is from France, England, Bohemia - or even Roman times.  What can affect the apparent colour is any inherent colouration of the clear glass.  The paler blues / turquoises are a different matter: these colours are usually copper based, and much more sensitive to the glass batch.  As potters will tell you, you can get brighter, intense colours more easily using lead based glass than soda-lime glass.

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2013, 10:24:51 AM
Thank you for the explanation of the blues.
Yes not Clichy -  when I said above 
'.... - although it may be a little disconcerting if the previous attribution was presented as a firm identification I suppose.' I didn't mean disconcerting for me, but was trying to be polite, meaning disconcerting for a buyer who bought it firmly id'd as Clichy perhaps :)

But that led me on to searching Christie's database for weights under 'Clichy', to  try and find more that were similar to mine - in which I was successful  ;D
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2013, 10:39:38 AM
see my reply above :)
Also for reference adding a picture of a cane I found just now, looking more closely at the weight.
Looking through the thread, I hadn't put a picture of this on  before
I'll try and get a clearer pic and amend.
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: w8happiness on October 08, 2013, 04:40:07 PM
Hi m,
another voice from Austria: yes indeed, a very fascinating and attractive weight- and the opinions of experts are pinpointing
the problem already. No doubt, by the actual state of knowledge, a French weight, and factory 8 a good working title.

Maybe someone from the St. Mande works made the facscinating roses- they made roses with shards of white glass and very complex canes- but sorry there's not yet a match with an identified St. Mande rose cane to your example.

My first question is always- is it "lead glass"? Antique weights from France, England and the USA are known to be made of this kind of glass. Antique "Bohemians"- there is only one supposed source  with lead glass (Egermann).

attached a very small rose cane by St. Mande, this time a micro "collapsed tube" type, kind regards E.


Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 08, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
thanks you also for your help and further information on this -
yes I believe lead glass - it glows under UV light with the same intensity but I think just a teeny fraction bit greener than my Clichy weight, which glows a fraction more to yellow.
I've found a few St Mande weights that vaguely remind me of mine.  One with a green and white rose (see link for reference)

http://catalogue.drouot.com/ref-drouot/lot-ventes-aux-encheres-drouot.jsp?id=2599418

I've also come across this one which has many canes in.  There's something different about the canes in mine though, the way they are constructed.  I probably can't explain it properly, but these look as though the rods that make up each cane were mostly bundles within a clear surround so each cane appears to have lots independent rods if you see what I mean.  Whereas with mine quite a few of the canes seem to have the rods bundles within a coloured surround/casing, so they 'appear' differently, more like a stick of rock is what I think I'm trying to say.
http://www.world-encheres.com/boisgirard/vo30052011/images/boisgirard_30052011-024.jpg

m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: w8happiness on October 09, 2013, 12:04:26 PM
Hi m,
another voice from Austria: yes indeed, a very fascinating and attractive weight- and the opinions of experts are pinpointing
the problem already. No doubt, by the actual state of knowledge, a French weight, and factory 8 a good working title.

Maybe someone from the St. Mande works made the facscinating roses- they made roses with shards of white glass and very complex canes- but sorry there's not yet a match with an identified St. Mande rose cane to your example.

My first question is always- is it "lead glass"? Antique weights from France, England and the USA are known to be made of this kind of glass. Antique "Bohemians"- there is only one supposed source  with lead glass (Egermann).

attached a very small rose cane by St. Mande, this time a micro "collapsed tube" type, kind regards E.
p.s.:

please have a look at this:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,16293.0.html?PHPSESSID=95i5v0pp9nir4j6f7642dsii34
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bridgesantiques/Paperweights

maybe from the same group?? and surely not Clichy....
kind regards Erhard
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on October 09, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
Hi Erhard
Yes I linked to that one on page 3 of this thread :)
here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47540.msg308383.html#msg308383
I found it by accident and it started me off looking again for this weight.

If you go back to that post in this thread I also found two more on the Christie's online search that are possibly from the same maker.  I believe I have linked four with the same rose - I'm so curious to know where this was made :)
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on February 29, 2016, 10:30:56 PM
Polite bump to see if any further knowledge has surfaced regarding the roses in my paperweight please, or perhaps even a possible maker?

Thanks for any help :)
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on March 01, 2016, 07:49:35 AM
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Hi.  I think that research by Paul Dunlop (see his PCA Bulletin articles) is pointing towards 'unknown French factory'. 

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on March 01, 2016, 10:18:01 AM
Thank you :) 
m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on March 01, 2016, 10:22:49 AM
Thanks Alan - btw is there any further evidence of there being more than the four I've found so far that have very close similarities (four apart from the on on the Christie's site that Kev gave me the link to)?

m
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: tropdevin on March 02, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
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Hi.  I have not been keeping records, I am sorry to say, but I have seen a few similar pieces go through auction in the past 5 years.  Whether these were all distinct pieces, or maybe repeats, I do not know.  A couple were in lesser French provincial auctions.  I suspect there are a lot more than four out there!

Alan
Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: flying free on March 02, 2016, 06:28:14 PM
yes me too, I was just wondering where they all were - the more there are to compare, the more chance of someday finding out from whence they came.
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Title: Re: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori
Post by: pooleandpaperweights on March 03, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Suggest mailing the pics or a link to them to Paul Dunlop.  He very recently ID'd a weight of mine as Grenelle and sure he would look at yours as well.  Google Paul Dunlop Paperweights and you will find his website and contact link.

Ian