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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Nick77 on September 17, 2012, 02:14:13 PM

Title: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Nick77 on September 17, 2012, 02:14:13 PM
I've informed this seller that their paperweight is Chinese and certainly not worth $150, I somehow don't think they'll believe me though.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-Millefiori-Glass-Paperweight-Baccarat-Clichy-37-Canes-Signed-/290776299551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b39e381f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-Millefiori-Glass-Paperweight-Baccarat-Clichy-37-Canes-Signed-/290776299551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b39e381f)
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: TxSilver on September 17, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
I wrote the seller, too. Maybe we can convince him/her. I don't see why someone would even imagine Clichy for this pw.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Tony G on September 17, 2012, 05:51:39 PM
Hi,
       looks like they finally took your advice and amended the listing with suitable thanks.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: TxSilver on September 17, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
It would have been nice to revise the title and description, which would have been easy to do. I hope people read through before bidding.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 17, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Bargain! The decimal place still seems adrift!
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Nick77 on September 17, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
Bargain! The decimal place still seems adrift!
Hey if you think that's a bargain, I've got 3 Chine oops sorry I mean Clichy ones you can have for just 100 each, I'll even include postage. I guarantee they were verified by my mate Pete sorry again I mean Pierre after 10 pints of French beer so they must be right.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Wuff on September 18, 2012, 09:25:35 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-Millefiori-Glass-Paperweight-Baccarat-Clichy-37-Canes-Signed-/290776299551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b39e381f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-Millefiori-Glass-Paperweight-Baccarat-Clichy-37-Canes-Signed-/290776299551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b39e381f)
This seller has accepted advice and corrected the listing.
I am less hopeful for this listing of a Fine Vintage Millefiori Paperweight- Clichy Baccarat Ysart Caithness Perthshire (http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110951375424) - as the seller has a habit of listing all manufacturers he likely has ever heard of as potential manufacturers. I had informed him on several occasions before - no response, no correction.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: TxSilver on September 18, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
I still wonder with the original listing. The pw looks later to me. Is the seller right saying it is maybe 1930-40s?
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Otis Orlando on September 19, 2012, 12:43:12 AM
 I too share your concerns regarding the paperweight being a Clichy, however, I have noticed on many occasions where enquiries are made prior to listing and I am not saying that this has occurred in this case, however, when there is no response, what is expected of the seller?  Just a question ::), as I have many paperweights which,  I have managed to identify and sell, however, there are some that I am unable to find.  By posting items unable to find or unsure of on the GMB site, most certainly helps the seller to list there items better.  Notice, ........................I omitted to use the word 'accurately,' however, if there is no response, the seller will list the item solely on the basis of his/hers information gathered.  It is obvious to me that some Sellers will not respond to members who may query what they are selling. They do have that right.   Ebay is not a GMB Site and have totally different operational functions even though they do work in conjunction when assisting to advise.   

I must admit that there are times when I too ignore the responses from Ebay members, but before I do this I will always investigate the item further, prior to rationally making any form of amendments.

An item is only worth what a person is willing to pay.  What maybe worth a couple of quid to me and you, a person maybe prepared to exceed that amount excessively.  If the decimal point has gone to sea without sails or oars, the seller always has the opportunity of re listing his/her item with a view to increase or decrease their amount. ;D

I have read the sellers description and it does welcome advice.  If this paperweight is Chinese, hopefully someone on the GMB site will need to inform him of country of origin, which is currently 'France'.  :-X
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Wuff on September 19, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
Fine Vintage Millefiori Paperweight- Clichy Baccarat Ysart Caithness Perthshire (http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110951375424)
This time I got a response - and, should you consider informing the seller, be prepared to get the following response
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Why don't you bother off and mind your own bothery business you person.
OK - we all know the funny results you get with online translations. The above is the result of the GMB "translator" from original text to what  the translator considers bearable to your sensitive minds.

I too share your concerns regarding the paperweight being a Clichy, however, ..., what is expected of the seller?
Well ... as you say later ... reading the comment and considering the possibility is a first step. The seller can accept advice and modify the description (many do !) ... or mention that comments have arrived (as in the case of the first weight in this thread) ... or just publish the original comment in the Q&A section for interested people to decide what they feel is correct ... or just ignore it, which is the seller's right but a pity.

An item is only worth what a person is willing to pay.
True ... but does that mean that obvious (to us) fraud is acceptable ??
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Wuff on September 19, 2012, 08:16:28 AM
I haven't reported to ebay for a while (as my experience was - it's useless). This time I thought I would - only to discover that with their 3-step "definition" of the problem, ebay by now makes it impossible to report such a case of fraud :-X.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: TxSilver on September 19, 2012, 01:02:17 PM
For a while eBay had a "Report this Item" link on each page. I guess they were getting too much reporting, so took the link away. Now it is such a hassle to report that few people probably do, especially knowing that eBay is not going to do anything but send a form reply. They leave it up to the buyer to report if they discover they've been ripped off soon enough.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Leni on September 19, 2012, 02:56:49 PM

"Why don't you bother off and mind your own bothery business you person."

 ;D ;D ;D  Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I really like that translation!  I am definitely going to use that response next time someone annoys me!  ;D
Title: A perfect advertisment
Post by: Wuff on September 19, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Hi - I want to sell you (a paperweight collector) something - but I HATE PAPERWEIGHT COLLECTORS (http://www.ebay.ch/itm/110951375424) :P.
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 19, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
ROFL (It must be all that swede bashing they do in Suffolk. [Note lower case s] Up the Canaries. East Anglians will understand)
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: tropdevin on September 19, 2012, 06:42:01 PM
***

He has posted my advice in the advert.  Enough people get in touch, perhaps it gets through. I love the revised title of the advert! Yeh!

PS. I vote for up the Canaries (let's leave that ambiguous), being a genuine - I used to watch them - MUFC supporter!

Alan

Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: flying free on September 20, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
he has another paperweight for  sale with a variety of possible 'key' words :)
and a pontil mark apparently
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Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: Nick77 on September 21, 2012, 08:40:57 AM
Here's another deluded seller that I have contacted but no change to the listing as yet its only 484 :o
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280972405321?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280972405321?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
Title: Re: Another Chinese Clichy
Post by: user9318 on September 21, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
Here's another deluded seller that I have contacted but no change to the listing as yet its only 484 :o
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280972405321?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280972405321?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

Looks like they may have listened, they ended the auction early.