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Title: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl. ID = Val St Lambert
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 31, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
This lovely art cut (Sue taught me that one) fruit bowl in amber cut to uranium has foiled my attempts at ID so far. Can anyone help please. It's unmarked and 8.5 or 21.5 cm diameter,.
(Many thanks to PC for importing it and no DE can't have it)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: chopin-liszt on August 31, 2015, 05:32:55 PM
I can see the point in cut glass when colour is involved - this is just lovely.
Can D or D have it?  ;)

I think we need Nigel.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Paul S. on August 31, 2015, 09:18:26 PM
agree it's very attractive, but so too is some clear Georgian cut glass from c. 1800 - in candlelight, limpid pools of shimmering leaden beauty  ;) ;)

sorry, no idea as to provenance for this  -  how about Czechoslovakian  -  does it have any age related wear, or is it pristine, Christine ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 01, 2015, 06:09:50 AM
It's certainly not new. My age guess would be 20-50s
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 01, 2015, 09:46:40 AM
Val St Lambert made colour cut to uranium but I couldn't see anything on searching.
Hopefully Anne will be able to help if it is.
Gorgeous colours.
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Paul S. on September 01, 2015, 01:53:58 PM
I'm dim on this type of thing, but to my eyes it lacks the quality and breadth of cutting style you'd expect from VSL  -  much of which has more of a deco or modernist cutting pattern, and not a simple naturalistic style like Christine's, which doesn't appear to be style of cutting from the '20's or '30's.                    I'd still plump for Czech., perhaps German.

If you look at examples of Novy Bor (Karel Wunsch) cut bowls in Mark Hill's book  -  which I know are different colours, lack Uranium and are abstract cutting styles  -  but there is some similarity of modern coloured casing/cut to clear, which made me think of Czech.             Could be well wrong of course.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 01, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
It does rather lack the "monumental-ish-ness" of VSL coloured and cut stuff. (I have rung doorbells on some posh London street to get into the sort of shop which has them, doing my "tourist" act.)

I do have a fabulous coloured Karel Wunsch cut vase from '64 - the cutting is far less naturalistic and more geometric than your bowl, Christine.

The joys come from all the profiles made by the cuts in the colours, as you rotate it. It can start looking like Easter Island heads or even devils sometimes. :)

I imagine this is a keeper, Christine? It's absolutely glorious, whatever it is. The most important thing is, its yours. ;D
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 01, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
Paul I agree.  I mention because the amber looks orange rather than amber and I found this
http://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/144355/scarce-c1920-val-st-saint-lambert-richepin-saarloius-orange-cut-to-clear-wine-hock-glass/

Also they did do cut to uranium ( though I've not found anything in this colour over uranium admittedly  :-[ )

And also, I've been searching cut overlay glass for glass with an 8 point star cut on it and seemed to recall that the only maker I'd come across (apart from Russian (possibly Baccarat though I thought)  and Boston and Sandwich (possibly) so far) that had a star, appeared to be VSL).   ;D

But I do agree.  It's not as contemporary looking really, but once you view it in the round it's quite spectacular with the cutting and colours.

m



Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
managed to find one amber over uranium VSL vase here - just for comparison
https://leverreetlecristal.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/leon-ledru-1855-1926-directeur-artistique-chez-val-saint-lambert-belgique/
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 01, 2015, 09:00:45 PM
see one above this in my post
and this one
http://www.ebay.ch/itm/Schale-mit-Uberfang-und-Tiefschnitt-Dekor-Val-St-Lambert-um-1900-/252076785477?hash=item3ab0f27f45

and another where the comment is that the pink over uranium creates an orange effect
http://www.antiques-belgium.com/joly-antiquites/724.html

I know they are not identical but I think VSL worth investigating.
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 02, 2015, 06:15:30 AM
Thanks for those links M. I had considered VSL as a possibility but those you found look more sophisticated. Mine is definitely amber over uranium. not pink.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: David E on September 02, 2015, 08:13:24 AM
Colourwise, the first of M's links is very convincing. It mentions overlays of green, yellow and amber, but I assume the uranium is what's being mistaken for the 'green overlay'. VSL was my first thought as well for C's bowl.

Forgot to say: it's only on loan Christine...  ;D
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 02, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
 :P to you DE
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 02, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Besides the fact that it's a nice piece, I also find this one a really tricky one... the shape of the bowl is not unfamiliar but then the pattern is ... and they did use this orange which they called 'Aurore' ...why they had to call it like that when everybody else in the world calls it orange, is a mystery to me, but that's beside the point...

All previous comments make sense, it could well be VSL .... but as mentioned before, the pattern is unusual and the symmetry not what you'd expect from this period.

From what I have been told is that they stopped the uranium crystal quite early, once they realised it could affect heath and used coloured glass instead. Therefor not much is known or left documentation wise, but usually you'd see a stronger colour, ranging front reds and  pinks, to green and different shades of blue.

I'll have a look in my books to see what else is mentioned about VSL and this type of glass once I'm back home ... I'm abroad for work at the moment..... sorry I can't be of more help for now....
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 02, 2015, 02:04:14 PM
I shall wait to hear from you, thank you. (I saw a VSL exhibition at the Leerdam museum and the cut to uranium stuff was to die for)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 02, 2015, 05:08:32 PM
Quote
but usually you'd see a stronger colour, ranging front reds and  pinks

Don't you just love auto spelling  ::) .... ranging from reds etc... sorry, noticed too late...
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Paul S. on September 02, 2015, 06:00:23 PM
Anne - don't worry in the slightest - a very minor and obvious typographical error :)    normally, your English is impeccable. 

However, there's a high frequency of mis-spelling of words such as their and too, which is surprising from people who have English as their first tongue     .........  and then there are folk who say......    ""well, what does it matter - you know what I mean, so wos the problem"  :)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 02, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
And there are the folk like me with my black marker pen, and white-out, eliminating grocers' apostrophes from posters or adding them, if required for the possessive ... ;)

(Then getting a lovely message from Kev, who had kindly refrained from pointing out my spelling mistook and lack of spaces here. In time for me to correct them!)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 02, 2015, 07:32:20 PM
And there are the folk like me with my black marker pen, and white-out, eliminating grocers'apostropes from posters or adding them, if required for the possessive ... ;)

Yeah, same here but it makes such a mess on my screen.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Paul S. on September 02, 2015, 07:36:04 PM
personally, I avoid cliches like the plague ;) :-*
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 02, 2015, 08:19:52 PM
 :D Even that one's become a cliché  :-*
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 03, 2015, 03:36:53 PM
thought I'd just add this link here anyway, just in case.
I don't know anything about VSL or cut glass for that matter, but I have noticed that on some VSL items there appears to be a 'pattern' or 'thing' for cartouche type shapes. So on yours the cut-out cartouche contain the stars (if it is VSL)
on this one they contain flowers
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/bowls/art-deco-val-st-lambert-crystal-glass-bowl/id-f_780328/

Obviously you are waiting on further information and this design effect might be something seen on many cut glass items(as I said I've no idea)but I have noticed a 'thing/marker' for it on some of VSL's products.

Also the only other maker I can think of that did colour over colour in this manner is Stevens and Williams.  I do have a cut glass blue over pale blue and clear that I was told was Austrian plant pot c.1930.  So presumably other companies might have been doing this style but I can't think who to be honest.
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 08:53:26 AM
Well, having returned yesterday from MIA, I find myself this morning, sat on the floor with a coffee and  about 25 books littered around me ... big deception because not a word is mentioned about this type of glass.... not even in the book from Joseph Philippe, which is considered by many as the VSL Bible.... I'll never open it again!  :D ... I definitely would have expected to find something in this book  :-\
There are a few examples in catalogues from the 30ies, where it is only mentioned that the item is made of 'Cristal Urane' but nothing further on colour schemes, design patterns or even basically the production ... it's from my contact at VSL, a  'maitre-tailleur' that I have heard, that they stopped using uranium oxide for health reasons, and if I'm not mistaken, this was in the 30ies/40ies.

It is true that designs from this period often have a central decorative point, as mentioned above, but for me personally,  this is not enough to say it is or it isn't VSL .... my gut instinct says it isn't but one has never seen everything and I've been wrong before.... so as they say over here ... je me réserve ...

I need to return to VSL, to have a couple of items repolished and I'll ask again this week ... also, the shop's still open (funny that, the factory's closed for production right now, but they continue selling) and behind the counter, there's an office where they keep a lot of catalogues. One of the ladies working there has been kind enough in the past to help me out with any questions I had, but the other one is practically wearing a 'Do not disturb' sign, so if I'm lucky, and if you don't mind me showing the images in this thread, I'll ask for further information, and see what they can tell me.... fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 04, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
Thanks for looking Anne. It would be really good if you could ask the nice lady. The bowl did come from the Netherlands and the relatively simple style and edge style (semi-circular cuts) do not seem out of place for VSL according to one catalogue I found online (Corning I think)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 09:03:07 AM
Is that the 1919-1930 Fantasy Crystal catalogue, Christine?
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 04, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
I think so; I forgot to bookmark it
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 04, 2015, 09:16:46 AM
http://www.vsl-history.be/catalogues1900.htm
You should be able to scroll down on this link and see the catalogues post 1900

On the left in the link there are further links.
I have had a look but not been able to find - sorry.
Cristaux de Fantaisie is there as well
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
I had a look in it before and I just did again.... the Fantasy Cristal catalogue, for the international and mainly American market, that I have is incomplete, I have 2/3 of it ... the 1926 catalogue 'Cristaux de Fantaisie' for the Belgian and French market that I have here,  is complete but the range is smaller... no surprise when 70-90% of the production was made for export ... the shape is there but you would have to agree with me that you could find this shape anywhere ... so for me, that doesn't confirm one or the other ...

I haven't come across anything that has the same pattern, or even anything that looks like it, but for now, that doesn't mean anything, I'd like to keep all options open ... we'll see what they say at HQ  :D
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 09:25:43 AM
Sorry, just crossed messages... the link is the site of Philippe Collard, if I'm not mistaken, but the catalogues are just 'announced' if you like, you can't open them, unless I'm doing something wrong ... unfortunately he hasn't continued working on this site... it's been like this for yonks ....
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 04, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
Anne, what date is the Cristaux de Fantaisie produced please?  is it earlier than 1940's?
Thank you
Yes you can open them and scroll down but they are quite small, they do not enlarge to full screen I'm afraid.
Shame, because it looked as though there might be some good information on there.
Shame he didn't open it up to others to add information as they found it or something similar.
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
Yes it is earlier than 1940,  the American 'Fantasy Crystal' catalogue dates 1919-1930 and the French version has 1926 on it, but there are some pieces in it that date back to 1920, that got included in it. I've got several examples on my Pinterest page ... sorry, I'm not advertising myself but it's all there ... just search for Val St Lambert and you should come across it. If I need to translate, just let me know....

Back to that site, for instance the mentioned 1926 Fantasy Crystal catalogue, which is dated 1908 and incorrect on this site .... I only get three pages on my screen and nothing opens or happens when I click on anything, so I must be doing something wrong?  ???
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 04, 2015, 09:59:53 AM
ah, I can't do pinterest I'm afraid - it insists I enter details and sign up so I refuse :)

m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 10:02:32 AM
That held me back quite some time too, until I realized it was free  ;D ...  ::)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 04, 2015, 11:22:30 AM
That's a fantastic pinterest board Anne  ;D. I can't find the catalogue on Corning now
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
Thank you Christine. I try to add as much info possible to each piece ... to sort of create my own reference material ...

I have never managed to get the Corning version but there's a preview page with the very long link underneath... sorry, for that... would appreciate it if a moderator could change it to a shorter link ...

[Mod: A bit late, but link now changed to clickable text version: Click Here (https://books.google.be/books?id=TcGVi6pcBwkC&pg=PR5&lpg=PR5&dq=val+st+lambert+fantasy+crystal&source=bl&ots=b0CTBrt9_-&sig=lITmHr8o_p4qX2sm_rUJLeH1PTw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAGoVChMIyOCxlafdxwIVirwUCh1noAd9#v=onepage&q=val%20st%20lambert%20fantasy%20crystal&f=false)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 04, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
That's the one
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 04, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
And if you try again at some time, another part comes up, which is a different preview, both together just under 100 pages.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 08, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
not sure if this is the same shape - it looks slightly different but perhaps photo angle?
Also have no idea if id is correct but appears to be three layers.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-STEVENS-WILLIAMS-RAINBOW-CUT-GLASS-VASE-/321592284606?hash=item4ae064d5be
Looks as though it has been a 'rainbow' swirl bowl cased in blue and then cut through to me  :-\
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 08, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
That's a nice one. Shape is not quite the same though
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 08, 2015, 05:52:41 PM
The cutting on the S&W is a bit more angular and "traditional" than on your mystery, which is more flowing and (stylised) leafy.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 08, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
yes can see it's completely different in 'spirit' but just adding it for comparison.
Also different eras will mean different designs I think? So what I mean is that although that one is more 'traditional' in design, it's not to say the same company didn't do more 'arty' versions at a later date if you see what I mean?
how tall is your bowl Christine because that one is the same diameter as yours I think.
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 08, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
Haven't been to VSL to ask yet but it's planned later this week...
The shape's known at VSL, but again, not seen the pattern before... here's a link of a similar shape, different pattern ..... had it in my hands a little while ago and the cutting was a bit more delicate ....


http://www.befr.ebay.be/itm/Imposant-coupe-centre-de-table-en-Val-saint-Lambert-piece-unique-signe-T657-91-/391091483882?hash=item5b0ede74ea (http://www.befr.ebay.be/itm/Imposant-coupe-centre-de-table-en-Val-saint-Lambert-piece-unique-signe-T657-91-/391091483882?hash=item5b0ede74ea)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 08, 2015, 06:54:09 PM
That one looks similar again Anne but is bigger isn't it and so quite a bit deeper than either the S&W ebay one or Christine's I think.  Both look very slightly less 'squared' off at the bottom than Christine's but that might just be angles again.
Christine is it possible to add a photo of yours angled or rather tilted towards the camera slightly, showing an elipse of the rim all the way round as per the ebay one?  It's helpful to see them at the same angle and also there is the other VSL bowl I posted that is angled tilted like that as well.
thanks :)
m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 08, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Yes, it is a size up but already in the 20ies they did models in different sizes, but anyway, it was just a reference re shape... we'll no for sure whether it is VSL or not later this week.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: bOBA on September 09, 2015, 04:57:05 PM
Although unusual, I thought English when I first saw the post. It will be interesting how the ID turns out...

Robert (bOBA)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on September 12, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
I have been yesterday, and unfortunately I had to deal with 'the wicked witch'... as expected, she was way too 'busy' to deal with my requests ::) ... had a quick look at your bowl but couldn't say whether it was or not, with me running after her through the shop  :D... funny (not as in funny haha) how some people get so caught up in their self importance, they won't allow any space for anybody else ... in the end I'm not asking for the end of the world, if you know what I mean ... just 5 minutes of their time ...

My 'repairman' had a look as well.... he basically said the same thing as I have ... it could well be, but he'd expect to see a clearer 'taillage' or cut on the bowl.... he also mentioned, and he's said it before, that for some reason, not everything was catalogued, but why is a mystery...

I went to drop off some pieces that need to be repolished because of the odd, tiny chip here and there, but I need to return to collect these items again of course, so hopefully, when I'll ask again, the younger and more helpful lady will be there....
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 12, 2015, 02:59:44 PM
Thank you for asking. Good luck next time
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on September 13, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
Apparently Gräfliche Josephinenhütte Siegfried Haertel c.1930
http://www.ebay.ch/itm/Art-Deco-Kristall-Glas-Vase-Grafliche-Josephinenhutte-Siegfried-Haertel-um-1930-/252004454295?hash=item3aaca2cf97

apparently these also and they have an 8 point cut star not a 6 point
http://www.ebay.de/itm/JOSEPHINENHUTTE-Glas-Karaffe-6-Glaeser-Dekor-SIEGFRIED-HAERTEL-1921-/381312633779?nma=true&si=NuN%252Fan0oLfi8n5Sxnh7C8FM03VI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

may be worth investigating.  I don't have the books unfortunately as I'd love someone to check up on my blue lidded cup as well.

m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on October 12, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
Sorry for the long wait, but it always takes a little while to have enough pieces to drop off and do the 1,5 hour drive, but today I have been again to have several pieces repaired and popped in while I passed the showroom, to ask about your bowl and some of my own pieces.

The 'unhelpful' lady was absent... thank goodness ... and somebody from the office had to be called forward, to answer my questions, and I very much appreciated that they found a few spare minutes to answer my questions....   I learned that things are up and running again at VSL, and they are very busy reorganizing and preparing the opening of a shop in Dubai. The few minutes turned out into nearly an hour, and not because of me, but the designer, Delvaux.

I'm no groupie, but this gentleman is the son of Delvaux who worked for VSL ages ago, who was an apprentice of Charles Graffart himself ... I nearly wet myself! To meet somebody directly linked to a very important period and designer at VSL, who's only human too of course,  but I only know about  from my books, was ... well ... the girls probably understand me when I say better than chocolate.  :D

He took one look at the bowl ands said it definitely was made by VSL, the registration for the shape is n° 1402, and a rough date he put on it was 1900-1920. He did admit that not many houses did this kind of crystal, which made it easy for him to identify it. He did explain that certain patterns are not always registered, as VSL was not the most disciplined of companies when it came to that, but more important, they encouraged designers and cutters to be creative and artistic, as long as it was in harmony with the item and period, and therefor certain pieces might be different from one another.

I had my tablet with me and he wanted to see my own collection, which I did of course, and he was very impressed and at one point ecstatic,  not only with the pieces but also with the quality of images and he wants to use my pictures for his own work, as reference and inspiration for future designs! I can't believe it! To be able to provide photos and images, to help re-launch VSL ... my wildest dream come true 8) ... I did put in as condition, that I am not to blame if it doesn't work out.

So thank you for posting this bowl, because without it, I wouldn't have had the morning that I did ... I'm still on a high  :)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on October 12, 2015, 01:08:14 PM
Yesssss  ;D

Anne thanks for posting about your visit (sounds wonderful and very exciting) and confirming it's VSL.

m
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 12, 2015, 01:39:23 PM
That is wonderful. Thank you very much.  :-*  I'm glad you had such a wonderful morning on the back of my bowl  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Patricia will be delighted to know her instincts were good but David may not talk to me again as he is in lust with the bowl and was most put out when he couldn't have it (it was bought specifically for me)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on October 12, 2015, 02:37:55 PM
  :-*  I'm glad you had such a wonderful morning on the back of my bowl  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


 :D Oh, I'm happy to admit that, without the bowl I wouldn't have experienced this.

I already felt a bit privileged as my repairman only now does work for Louis Leloup, who's working on his museum in Brussels... et moi!

Can you imagine though, that a designer at the manufacturer that you're so passionate about goes like .... 'eeehm ... I have to congratulate you on your collection and the quality of the images.... there are pieces I've never seen before... and eeehhhm ...can I use them as reference?' .... well what can I say to that? .... obviously the guy's got taste!  ;D lol.
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 12, 2015, 02:46:33 PM
Well he can have my pictures too if they are of any help. Your collection is lovely
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Anne Tique on October 12, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
Thank you very much, I will pass them on.

Sorry for sounding a bit 'me, me and me' but this is so exciting...
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 12, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
I'm just glad you had such a good time
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: David E on October 12, 2015, 06:27:06 PM
Patricia will be delighted to know her instincts were good but David may not talk to me again as he is in lust with the bowl and was most put out when he couldn't have it (it was bought specifically for me)

Grrrrrrrrrrr  :( >:( :-X       ;D

But I am glad it's finally ID'ed - thanks to Anne of Tique  :)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: flying free on November 10, 2015, 07:54:33 PM
This one is in a similar style (can't remember if I linked it before)- you need a collection  ;D

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42381897_jardiniere-belgien
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Lustrousstone on November 10, 2015, 07:58:25 PM
I probably do need that one, but not at that price LOL
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: chopin-liszt on November 10, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
Wonderful news on all fronts.
Anne - I so understand - I turn into something resembling what used to be called a "teenybopper" when faced with an artist I admire. It's really embarrassing.
But then to be treated as an equal or as if I have something to say or contribute, I'd glow so red I'd vanish in a puff of smoke.
I'm really happy for you that you've had such fun. :D
And even happier that you will be having more. 8)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: bOBA on November 10, 2015, 09:24:42 PM
Great thread, well done Anne, GMB at its best, a happy ending,


Robert (bOBA)
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl ID please
Post by: Patricia on November 11, 2015, 04:15:37 PM
And then to think I almost didn't buy it.
Luckily the antique fair was close to home so I went back for it.
And the price was so low  :) :o I thought oh well, it can always be used in the kitchen.
I'm glad so many people got direct or indirect enjoyment out of it.

Patricia 
Title: Re: Art cut amber to uranium lead crystal fruit bowl. ID = Val St Lambert
Post by: flying free on January 05, 2016, 08:35:09 AM
I thought you might like to see this.  Sold through Sotheby's in 2007 under Russian Sale Works of Art.
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.389.lotnum.html/2007/russian-sale-works-of-art-faberge-l07113


'A silver-mounted coloured glass claret jug, Adrian Ivanov, Moscow, 1908-1917
the tapering orange and yellow body cut with diamond facets within elipses, the handle and collar with chased bands of stylised grapes and vine leaves, knop finial, 84 standard
height: 29.2cm, 11 1/2 in'

I have seen uranium glass used in Russian Glass and dredging my memory, something makes me think I also have seen a two colour overlay glass piece in a museum collection in Russia, but as I recall that was dark green over yellow I think.  No makers label on it though as I remember checking.

However, the shape and the notching up the neck of the body look familiar as 'VSL' identifiers perhaps, so an option is that the body is VSL and the silver is Russian. 

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