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Title: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 10:44:39 AM
patent application page 690

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yHM4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA222&dq=letter-weight&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk_6Scm5PNAhUkCsAKHdh2CZo4ChDoAQhKMAg#v=snippet&q=glass&f=false

'John Gold, of Etna Glassworks Birmingham for improvements in the manufacture of decanters and other articles of glass; April 15; 6 months'

I couldn't find Etna Glassworks on here so just adding in case for future possible interest

Appears to be linked to Arculus?

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Alfred_Arculus_and_Co
'Alfred Arculus and Co
of Etna Glass Works, Birmingham.
1860 Company established.
1896/7 Directory: Advertiser. More detail. [1]
1911 Specialised in opal or albatrine glass for lamps and shades.
1914 Flint glass manufacturers. Specialities: glass for lighting purposes, glass for silversmiths etc. Employees 70. [2]'


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Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
There is a listing here for
Morgan, Rollason and Co which appears to be somehow linked to Etna Glass? (pp16)

(From Pigot and Co's National Directory 1837)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ecNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA16&dq=etna+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3-8fusJPNAhWBOsAKHXmeCxQQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=etna%20glass&f=false
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: keith on June 06, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
There's a glassworks I've never heard of before, will have a look at some local history sites,  ;D
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 12:52:54 PM
I think the link on my first post is
It appears to be 'The Mechanics Magazine, museum, register, journal, and gazette'
dated Oct5th 1839- May 30th 1840

It's quite difficult to tell exactly what the journal is as the listing says it's one thing and then when you scroll through it appears to be another -
m
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: Anne on June 06, 2016, 10:26:20 PM
There are three entries for the "Etna Glass Works" in the London Gazette: [None of them relate to John Gold]

The London Gazette Publication date:7 November 1843 Issue:20276 Page:3608
Quote
TAKE notice, that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, at the Etna Glass Works*; Birmingham, and at Upper Thames-street, London, as Glass Manufacturers and China Warehousemen, under the style or firm of Joseph Green and Sons, has been dissolved, by mutual consent, as from the 31st day of December last-'
Dated 4th November 1843. Joseph Green. Joseph George Green. James Green.

The London Gazette Publication date:17 March 1857 Issue:21978 Page:1045
Quote
WHEREAS a Petition of George Joseph Green, of No. 3, York-road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, out of business, previously of the Harbourne road. in Birmingham aforesaid, and carrying on business at the Etna Glass Works, Broad-street, in Birmingham aforesaid, Glass Manufacturer, an insolvent debtor, having been filed in the County Court of Warwickshire, at Birmingham, and an interim order for protection from process having been given to the said George Joseph Green, under the provisions of the Statutes in that case made and provided, the said George Joseph Green is hereby required to appear before the said Court, on the 13th of March instant, at ten of the clock in the forenoon precisely, for his first examination touching his debts, estate, and effects, and to be further dealt with according to the provisions of the said Statutes; and the choice of the creditors' assignees is to take place at the time so appointed. All persons indebted to the said George Joseph Green, or that have any of his effects, are not to pay or deliver the same, but to Mr. John Guest, Registrar of the said Court, Waterloo-rooms, Waterloo-street, Birmingham, the Official Assignee of the estate and effects of the said insolvent.

The London Gazette Publication date:28 April 1857 Issue:21993 Page:1524
Quote
In the Matter of the Petition of George Joseph Green, of No. 3, York-road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, out of business, previously of the Harborne-road, in Birmingham aforesaid, and carrying on business at the Etna Glass Works, Broad-street, in Birmingham aforesaid. Glass Manufacturer, an Insolvent Debtor. NOTICE is hereby given, that the County Court of Warwickshire, at Birmingham, acting in the matter of this Petition, will proceed to make a Final Order thereon, at the said Court, on the 15th day of May next, at ten of the clock in the forenoon precisely, unless cause be then and there shewn to the contrary

Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: Anne on June 06, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
Found a mention of the AETNA Glassworks on here:
http://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/broad-st-pic.30581/page-13
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: Anne on June 06, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
Alan Thornton (also on the board, mainly in the paperweight forum) also mentions the ETNA glassworks in his article on William Gillinder here:
www.pwts.co.uk/pages/PCA%20Article%20William%20Gillinder.doc
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Anne thanks - so it appears Arculus took over Etna Glassworks.
Curious that on that forum link you gave they spell it AEtna because in this reference the Pigot directory also spells it AEtna (I'm wondering if the A and E were someone's initials maybe?)

There is a listing here for
Morgan, Rollason and Co which appears to be somehow linked to Etna Glass? (pp16)

(From Pigot and Co's National Directory 1837)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ecNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA16&dq=etna+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3-8fusJPNAhWBOsAKHXmeCxQQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=etna%20glass&f=false
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ecNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA16&dq=etna+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3-8fusJPNAhWBOsAKHXmeCxQQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=etna%20glass&f=false


- Morgan Rollason and Co appears to have been there 1837 (Pigot)

- My original link with the name John Gold was for 1839-1840 (Patent application)- (see info in next post - 'Gold's Patent Cut Glass Company' )
- The Greens (Joseph and sons) appear to have been there from (when?) to 1843
-  and then possibly just the son George Joseph (Joseph George) Green until (?) 1857
- Arculus took over there in 1860

So  quite a few changes of hands/ownership over a fairly short period (23years)

here is the archaeological information referred to in that Birmingham thread:
https://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/aip/online/E/west%20midlands/EBIRMING.pdf

http://historywm.com/wp-content/uploads/issues/issue4/files/res/pages/page_0034.swf

On the second link directly above, it discusses cones and then says the AEtna glassworks was a 'shed' type.
I do not know what that means.  But it might be important for future reference.

m

p.s. I think this might be pure coincidence but just in case it isn't, here is some information on an AEtna Glass company in America c.mid 1800s
https://sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/AetnaArsenal.pdf
Title: Re: John Gold AEtna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
ah,reference here (page 731) to 'Gold's Patent Cut Glass Company' at AEtna Glassworks Birmingham (25th March 1839)  and John  Gold

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=phJKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA731&lpg=PA731&dq=AEtna+glass+birmingham&source=bl&ots=rcS6zg-acV&sig=9N-MdqOK6iz_iBRei9h9DFFVGE0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiewP_Fy5TNAhWqDsAKHXNCC8oQ6AEIPDAG#v=onepage&q=AEtna%20glass%20birmingham&f=false
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 06, 2016, 11:57:45 PM
Archaelogical information from Glass News May2004 published by
THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE HISTORY OF GLASS LIMITED
http://www.historyofglass.org.uk/pdfs/glass_news/glassnews15.pdf

'Only two sites have so far been
investigated by excavation or watching brief. Debris
from Hawker’s glass-works was found in a former
water-channel during excavations in advance of the
Bull Ring development and a watching brief on the
Aetna Glassworks revealed a probable annealing
furnace.
Archaeological work is being required at two
other sites in advance of development: Oppenheim’s,
Birmingham’s first glassworks, on Snow Hill, where a
desk-based assessment suggests fragmentary survival,
and Soho (1805), where survival can be demonstrated
from a series of building plans. '
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: David E on June 07, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
On the scraps I have for Birmingham glassworks, I have the following:
The first makers of pressed glass in England were Rice Harris, George Bacchus & Sons, and John Gold, all of Birmingham…
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2008-3w-slack-pressglas-england.pdf


Contributed by Raymond Slack, so good provenance. Interestingly I have no mention of AEtna Glassworks after all my research (Etna yes), but I think this is the name of the building rather than the company name? Alfred Arculus took over from 1860, as M mentioned, so the earlier history is of interest.
Title: Re: John Gold Etna / AEtna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: flying free on June 07, 2016, 10:04:28 AM
The contemporary directory of the time 1837 lists it as AEtna
See the photograph from the directory below

(From Pigot and Co's National Directory 1837)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ecNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA16&dq=etna+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3-8fusJPNAhWBOsAKHXmeCxQQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=etna%20glass&f=false


In the photo you can also see 'Gold's (Patent Company) Charlotte st ' listed and also Rice Harris, all in the listings for 1837.
Morgan, Rollason & Co. is a new name to add then?

AEtna Glassworks might have been the name of the actual physical building, however, someone owned that building presumably.  So did the 'County' own it and lease it to various makers? Or did each 'maker company'  purchase the building (AEtna Glassworks) each time they took over?  Or did someone else ( a private owner) own the building and lease it to the various glassmaking Companies?
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham
Post by: David E on June 08, 2016, 04:54:39 PM
Thanks, M. Here's the 'AE' character if you ever wanted to copy/paste it.    Æ

The building could have been privately owned - I imagine it was - and the name was just used from one generation of glassmaker to the next. It happened with the Vesta Works of Shakespear (1801), then Walsh Walsh (1850), and British Heat Resisting Glass Co. (making Phoenix from 1935). However, as Walsh Walsh was still in business until 1951, I am wondering whether Phoenix leased a part of the WW factory to start up their production of heat-resisting tableware.
Title: Re: John Gold Etna Glassworks Birmingham / Ætna Glassworks
Post by: flying free on June 08, 2016, 11:12:10 PM
Thank you  :D